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Subject: Re: Crafty "X" vs Deep Sjeng 84 games @ 5'/game (correct subject)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:31:18 03/04/03

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On March 04, 2003 at 07:10:21, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On March 04, 2003 at 02:36:53, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 2003 at 19:01:47, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>On March 03, 2003 at 19:00:53, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dual 1.8 Ghz
>>>>Hiarcs Book
>>>>Ponder ON
>>>>CB GUI
>>>>
>>>>Very nice result against this modified Crafty "x" personlity.
>>
>>Do you have results of that modified Crafty x personality against other programs
>>in the same condition?
>>
>>If losing 47-37 against Crafty X is a very nice result for a commercial program
>>then it means that this Crafty X is very strong and probably can beat also
>>Ruffian,Sos3.Yace,List in the same conditions(maybe even with higher score).
>>
>>Uri
>
>I don't follow your logic -
>
>1.  We're talking blitz -- not long games.  To me blitz does not really
>establish strength of engine at long games.  To me a true measure of engine
>stength is how well it does at long games.
>
>2.  We're talking commercial engine yes - but just two months ago it was
>considered amatuer.  Quantum leaps in strength do happen very often.  Just
>because Deep Sjeng is now commercial does not automatically place it at the top
>of the amatuer engine list in strength.

Yes, but I read a claim that it is 200 elo better than Sjeng12.13 and sjeng12.13
is not supposed to be better than 200 elo worse than crafty.

I also read matches when Deep Sjeng beated crafty convincingly and people asked
about results against Ruffian.

After seeing it losing 47-37 then the result is a clear disappointment.

I do not say that losing 47-37 against crafty is always a disappointment for a
commercial engine and the disappointment is mainly because of the claim that
Deep Sjeng is significantly better than Sjeng12.13 when Sjeng12.13 is supposed
to be only slightly weaker than crafty based on results that GCP posted in the
winboard forum(the results were not in long time control games).

I also remember that GCP claimed that Deep Sjeng is already better than Crafty
in this forum.

Uri



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