Author: Mark Young
Date: 17:39:44 03/05/03
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On March 05, 2003 at 10:33:29, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>On March 05, 2003 at 10:02:04, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On March 05, 2003 at 06:22:55, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>>
>>>[D]r2q2k1/pb5p/3br1p1/3p4/2p5/PnBBPN2/1PQ2PP1/3RK2R w K - 0 20
>>>
>>>20.Bd3-f5! followed by Rxh7 is no problem for Rebel in a blitzgame.For Fritz 8
>>>it´s too difficult on tournamentlevel.There is alot to do for the Fritz team to
>>>be as good as Rebel.
>>>
>>>TL
>>>
>>>[Event "Partie 2 40 in 20"]
>>>[Site "Athlon 1700+"]
>>>[Date "2003.03.01"]
>>>[Round "2"]
>>>[White "Rebel 12b2"]
>>>[Black "Delfi 4.0"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[Time "19:18:10"]
>>>[TimeControl "40/1200:40/1200:1200"]
>>>
>>>1 .d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.a3 Bb7 5.Nc3 d5 6.cxd5 Nxd5 7.Bd2 Nd7 {(b8d7 a1c1
>>>c7c5 d4xc5 b6xc5 e2e3 f8d6 e3e4 d5f6 f1d3 e8g8 e1g1) -0.16/12 43} 8.Qc2 c5
>>>{(c7c5
>>>d4xc5 f8xc5 c3xd5 e6xd5 e2e3 a8c8 d2c3 e8g8 f1d3 d7f6 c3xf6 d8xf6 d3xh7)
>>>-0.04/12 40}
>>>9.Nxd5 exd5 {(e6xd5 e2e3 f8d6 f1d3 a8c8 d2c3 c5c4 d3f5 g7g6 f5h3 e8g8 e1g1)
>>>-0.04/12
>>>41} 10.dxc5 bxc5 {(b6xc5 e2e3 f8d6 f1d3 g7g6 e1g1 e8g8 b2b3 a8c8 a1d1 d7e5 f3xe5
>>>d6xe5) 0.10/12 37} 11.e3 Bd6 {(f8d6 f1d3 g7g6 e1g1 e8g8 b2b3 a8c8 c2b2 c8b8 a1d1
>>>d8e7
>>>b2c3) 0.15/12 46} 12.Bd3 g6 {(g7g6 e1g1 e8g8 b2b3 a8c8 f1d1 d8e7 a1c1 d7e5 f3xe5
>>>e7xe5 h2h3) 0.19/12 49} 13.h4 c4 {(c5c4 d3e2 d7c5 h4h5 e8g8 h5xg6 f7xg6 e1f1
>>>a8c8
>>>d2c3 c5e4) 0.40/11 26} 14.Bf1 Nc5 {(d7c5 h4h5 e8g8 d2c3 c5e4 e1c1 e4xc3 c2xc3
>>>a8b8
>>>c1b1 d8b6 h5xg6 f7xg6) 0.58/11 29} 15.Bc3 O-O {(e8g8 h4h5 c5e4 f1e2 b7c6 h5xg6
>>>f7xg6
>>>e1f1 e4xc3 b2xc3 d8f6 e3e4 d5xe4 e2xc4) 0.58/12 33} 16.h5 Nb3 {(c5b3! a1d1 b7c6
>>>f3e5
>>>d6xe5 c3xe5 d8e7 e5c3 a8c8 c3b4 b3c5 h5xg6 f7xg6) 0.27/11 105} 17.Rd1 Re8 {(f8e8
>>>h5xg6 f7xg6 f1e2 d8e7 e1f1 a8c8 f3d4 b3xd4 c3xd4) 0.17/10 32} 18.hxg6 fxg6
>>>{(f7xg6
>>>f1e2 b3c5 f3d2 d8d7 e1f1 d7f7 e2f3 a8b8 b2b3 c4xb3 d2xb3 c5xb3 c2xb3) 0.19/11
>>>23}
>>>19.Bd3 Re6 {(e8e6 d3e2 a8b8 e1f1 d8e7 f1g1 b7c6 h1h3 b8f8 g1h1 e6e4) 0.24/11 30}
>>>20.Bf5 gxf5 {(g6xf5? h1xh7 g8xh7 c2xf5 h7g8 f5xe6 g8f8 f3e5 d6xe5 c3xe5 d8a5
>>>e1f1 a5b6
>>>e5d6 f8g7 d6e5 g7f8) 0.00/12 48} 21.Rxh7 Kxh7 {(g8xh7 c2xf5 h7g8 f5xe6 g8f8 e6g6
>>>d8d7 f3g5 d5d4 g5e6 f8e7 e6xd4 b3xd4 d1xd4 d7e6) -0.19/11 29} 22.Qxf5+ Kg8
>>>{(h7g8?
>>>f3g5 e6e7 f5g6 g8f8 g6h5 e7c7 g5e6 f8e7 e6xd8 a8xd8 c3f6 e7xf6 h5h4 f6g7 h4xd8)
>>>-1.20/11 48} 23.Qxe6+ Kf8 {(g8f8? e6g6 d8d7 f3g5 d5d4 c3xd4 b3xd4 d1xd4 b7xg2
>>>g6xd6
>>>d7xd6 d4xd6 a8e8) -2.34/11 25} 24.Qg6 Qd7 {(d8d7? f3g5 d5d4 c3xd4 b3xd4 d1xd4
>>>b7xg2
>>>d4xd6 d7b7 g5e6 f8e7 d6d2) -2.94/10 23} 25.Ng5 d4 {(d5d4 c3xd4 b3xd4 d1xd4 b7d5
>>>g5h7
>>>f8e7 g6g5 e7f7 g5xd5 f7g7 d5xa8 g7xh7 d4xc4) -5.99/10 24} 26.Bxd4 Nxd4 {(b3xd4?
>>>d1xd4 b7d5 g5h7 f8e7 g6g5 e7f7 g5xd5 f7g6 d5xa8 g6xh7 a8d5 c4c3 d5xd6 d7xd6
>>>d4xd6
>>>c3xb2) -7.35/10 30} 27.Rxd4 Bd5 {(b7d5? g5h7 f8e7 g6g5 e7f7 g5xd5 f7g6 d5e4 g6g7
>>>e4xa8
>>>d7f7 d4xd6 g7xh7 d6a6 f7e7 a8xa7) -10.07/12 74} 28.Nh7+ Ke7 {(f8e7? g6g5 e7f7
>>>g5xd5
>>>f7g7 d5xa8 c4c3 a8f8 d6xf8 d4xd7 g7h6 h7xf8 c3xb2 d7b7 h6g5 e1e2 g5f5 b7xb2)
>>>-12.54/12 54} 29.Qg5+ Kf7 {(e7f7 g5xd5 f7g7 d5xa8 c4c3 a8f8 d6xf8 d4xd7 g7h6
>>>h7xf8 c3xb2
>>>d7b7 h6g5 e1e2 g5f5 b7xb2) -12.54/12 31} 30.Qxd5+ Kg7 {(f7g7? d5g5 g7f7 g5f6
>>>f7g8
>>>d4d5 d6e5) -12.63/11 30} 31.Qg5+ Kf7 {(g7f7? g5f6 f7e8 d4e4 d7e7 f6f8 e8d7 e4xe7
>>>d6xe7 f8xa8 c4c3 a8xa7 d7e6 a7a6 e6f7 b2xc3 f7g7 a6b7) -15.71/11 29} 32.Qf6+ Ke8
>>>{(f7e8?) -16.69/12 60} 33.Re4+ Qe7 {(d7e7?) -18.17/12 46} 34.Qf8+ Kd7 {(e8d7
>>>e4xe7 d6xe7
>>>f8xa8) -13.74/3} 35.Nf6+ Qxf6 {(e7xf6? f8xf6 a8e8 f6f5 d7d8 f5a5 d8d7 a5b5 d7c7
>>>b5xe8
>>>c7b6 e8e6 b6b7 e6xd6) -19.61/11 18} 36.Qxf6 Re8 {(a8e8? f6f5 d7d8 f5a5 d8d7
>>>a5b5)
>>>-19.52/10 8} 37.Qf5+ Kd8 {(d7d8? f5a5) -22.25/11 31} 38.Qa5+ Kd7 {(d8d7?)
>>>-22.60/11 24}
>>>39.Qb5+ Kc7 {(d7c7? e4xe8 c4c3 b5b8 c7c6 e8e6 c6d5 b8xd6 d5c4 d6b4 c4d5 e6d6
>>>d5e5 b4f4)
>>>-M7/9 5} 40.Rxe8 Bxa3 {(d6xa3 b5b8 c7c6 e8e6 c6c5 b8d6 c5b5 b2xa3 a7a6 d6b4)
>>>-M5/8 3}
>>>41.bxa3 Kd6 {(c7d6 b5xc4 a7a6 e8e6 d6d7 c4c6 d7d8 e6e8) -M4/9 62} 42.Qe5+ Kc6
>>>{(d6c6
>>>e8c8 c6b6 e5d6 b6b5 d6b4 b5a6 c8c6) -M4/9 28} 43.Re6+ Kd7 {(c6d7 e5d6 d7c8 e6e8
>>>c8b7
>>>e8b8) -M3/9 53} 44.Qd5+ Kc7 {(d7c7 d5c6 c7d8 e6e8) -M2/9 49} 45.Rc6+ Kb7 {(c7b7
>>>d5b5
>>>b7a8 c6c8) -M2/9 50} 46.Rxc4+ Kb6 {(b7b6 d5c6 b6a5 c4c5) -M2/8 88} 47.Rb4+ Kc7
>>>{(b6c7 b4b7 c7c8 d5d7) -M2/8 82} 48.Rb7+ Kc8 {(c7c8 d5d7) -M1/3} 49.Qd7# {Matt}
>>>1-0
>>
>>This is all very nice, but you can't judge overall playing strength of Rebel vs
>>Fritz with one example.
>>
>>Sorry but your post is very misleading, and although Ed Schroder deserves much
>>credit, Frans Morsch doesn't deserve this type of discredit!
>>
>>Terry McCracken
>
>I have no problem with your coment.My statement is problably a reaction of this
>Fritz is no. 1 in my ratinglist blabla.All this people are very middleclass
>chessplayer and can´t evaluate the games.So all they do is counting numbers like
>computers.Maybe a program can beat another with 62,0 : 38,0 but the better
>positional play come from the looser of this match.I feel more and more
>uncomfortable with this talking of the common "experts" of computerchess.
>
>TL
I find this statement laughable; I have seen this argument used before by people
or programmers who say their program plays better chess even when it loses to
other programs, some badly. This argument has been discredited time and time
again in the past, and I see no reason to try to resurrect it.
What you are saying is illogical on many fronts.
If Rebel plays so well and Fritz plays so badly, why can not Rebel best Fritz?
Rebel must be making bad positional moves some where, or Fritz could not best
Rebel and obtain a higher rating.
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