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Subject: Re: 184 Games - Crafty 19.03 "x" vs Ruffian 1.0.1

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:55:34 03/06/03

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On March 06, 2003 at 06:38:15, Chessfun wrote:

>On March 06, 2003 at 02:39:42, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On March 06, 2003 at 01:50:29, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>On March 06, 2003 at 01:01:32, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 22:37:56, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 22:24:45, bobby palacios wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 20:23:07, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 19:56:30, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ruffian vs Crafty 19.03 "x", Blitz:  Game /5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dual 1.8 Ghz Xeon
>>>>>>>>Ponder On
>>>>>>>>Unified Hiarcs Tourn book
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Crafty 19.03 "x"   +62 -53 =69 52.45%  96.5/184
>>>>>>>>Ruffian 1.0.1      +53 -62 =69 47.55%  87.5/184
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is clearly the best result a modified Crafty (for me) has ever obtained
>>>>>>>>against Ruffian at Game/5.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is the last game played - Ruffian has the advantage and lost it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ruffian 1.0.1  - Crafty 19.03 'x' [B33]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>W=11.2 ply; 512kN/s; 959 TBAs
>>>>>>>B=10.9 ply; 748kN/s
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a bit strange.  On my p4 2.47ghz, Ruffian generally outsearches Crafty
>>>>>>19.03 by about 100-200kn/s, but certain engines run better on certain machines,
>>>>>>so maybe this is expected.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since I compiled Crafty on my machine using profiled optimizations, it would be
>>>>>highly optimized for my machine.
>>>>>
>>>>>:))))))
>>>>
>>>>I am surprised by the number of nodes of Ruffian.
>>>>
>>>>Even on my slow P850 Ruffian can show more than 512 Kn/seconds
>>>>
>>>>Here is some analysis of one of the position of the game by Ruffian.
>>>>depth=12 1/48(Rh5) +0.96 Rh5 Rc3 Qxc3 Qxh5 g4 Qg5 Qa3 h5 h3 Qh4 Qxd6 Qxh3 Qxa6
>>>>hxg4 Qxb5
>>>>Nodes: 34277608 NPS: 548266
>>>>Time: 00:01:02.52
>>>>
>>>>Why did Ruffian search only 512 knodes per second on 1.8Ghz?
>>>>Are you sure that Ruffian used 100% of the time of your second processor?
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>Yes - I do checked that frequently to make sure no are problems.  My p4 behaves
>>>more like a P3 1000(?guess) for many chess programs that are not optimized
>>>specifically for the P4.
>>
>>How much speed can programs earn from optimizing them for p4?
>>
>>Do you get more than 50% speed improvement from your optimizations?
>>
>>748 nps is almost 50% more than 512 nps and I read in this thread that a person
>>with pentium4 who did not do special optimizations said that Ruffian is faster
>>than crafty on p4.
>>
>>Uri
>
>His average NPS was 512 k/Ns, this don't mean on a given position he would get
>that. Plus you never posted the FEN for him to check.
>
>In this case Ruffian shows 959 TBAS, this itself slows down NPS in some cases by
>a factor of 6 or 7. So to simply say Ruffian only did 512 k/Ns and I can get
>more on my PC something is wrong, is itself wrong.
>
>Sarah.

I did not say that I can get more average nps but
the position that I analyzed was a middls game position from the game(I did not
save it but I guess that there are not many positions from the game when the pv
make sense so it is probably possible to find out).

I thought that in endgames the search is faster thanks to smaller number of
pieces(it is at least the case with movei).

If tablebases make the program slower by a factor of 6 or 7 then something
is probably wrong with the program.

I also thought that his 1.8gh should be at least twice faster than my p850
(I was probably wrong in this thought).

I thought that all this data probaly suggests that something may be wrong
in the game.

Uri



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