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Subject: Re: Ruffian vs Crafty 'X', Blitz: Game/5

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 04:50:47 03/06/03

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On March 06, 2003 at 07:36:33, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 06, 2003 at 07:22:50, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On March 05, 2003 at 10:12:39, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On March 05, 2003 at 10:04:14, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thank you for the information regarding the new Crafty version.  However, in my
>>>>own testing (more than one thousand games at quick controls), Ruffian 1.X gets
>>>>about 70-75% against Crafty 19.X.  The older Crafties perform a little better,
>>>>especially the 17.13 version.
>>>>
>>>>The ELO difference ranges between 80-120 pts in favour of Ruffian.
>>>>
>>>>-- Djordje
>>>
>>>I guess that the problem is to choose the right X and the right modifications.
>>>
>>>Modified 19.x should not prerform worse than 17.13 because people can delete all
>>>the counter productive changes from 17.13 to 19.03
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>That's an over simplification -- one (applicable to most people) cannot simply
>>take 19.xx code and roll it back to 17.xx code -- there has been way too many
>>changes from 17.xx to 19.xx.  If you had compared the code, you would have never
>>said that.
>
>I did not compare the code but the point is that a later version should not
>perform worse if it is modified correctly.

Should not -- but that's a big if --- it's simple to modifify --- it is much
tougher to modify it and have it play better -- most modifications make it play
_worse_ -- _some_ might make it play better.  The code that is released is well
tested before release


>
>
>  IMO, 19.xx is better than 17.xx - no question.  I would agree that
>>the issue of 18.xx is better than 17.xx is up for debate.
>
>The question is still open
>
>http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/ratings/IL3b_rate.txt
>
>Crafty17.9 is leading
>Crafty19.1 has not a good result.
>
>http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/ratings/rapid_rating_il2r.txt
>
>Crafty17.9 is leading
>19.1 is not there but I do not expect 19.1 to be first place after
>reading the following link when Crafty19.1 got only 2.5 out of 9.

I would prefer to see them use 19.3 but it's not my call.   19.1 was a major
overhaul esp. with extensions which seemed to be an area that needed workover
18.xx and it was the first release.  19.3 is more fine tuned with the new code.



>
>http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/44045.htm
>
>Number of games is not enough to be sure and it is only fast time
>control so I do not claim that 17.xx is better than 19.xx but only
>that we have not enough evidence to say that 19.xx is better.

Agree, more games are needed.  I will start a new LTC (40moves/2 hours) 48
round  double RR tourney soon - I will include Chessbase native v17.9 and then
we will have better sense.

>
>Uri



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