Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:07:57 03/06/03
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On March 06, 2003 at 07:50:47, Mike Byrne wrote:
>On March 06, 2003 at 07:36:33, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On March 06, 2003 at 07:22:50, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>On March 05, 2003 at 10:12:39, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 10:04:14, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you for the information regarding the new Crafty version. However, in my
>>>>>own testing (more than one thousand games at quick controls), Ruffian 1.X gets
>>>>>about 70-75% against Crafty 19.X. The older Crafties perform a little better,
>>>>>especially the 17.13 version.
>>>>>
>>>>>The ELO difference ranges between 80-120 pts in favour of Ruffian.
>>>>>
>>>>>-- Djordje
>>>>
>>>>I guess that the problem is to choose the right X and the right modifications.
>>>>
>>>>Modified 19.x should not prerform worse than 17.13 because people can delete all
>>>>the counter productive changes from 17.13 to 19.03
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>That's an over simplification -- one (applicable to most people) cannot simply
>>>take 19.xx code and roll it back to 17.xx code -- there has been way too many
>>>changes from 17.xx to 19.xx. If you had compared the code, you would have never
>>>said that.
>>
>>I did not compare the code but the point is that a later version should not
>>perform worse if it is modified correctly.
>
>Should not -- but that's a big if --- it's simple to modifify --- it is much
>tougher to modify it and have it play better -- most modifications make it play
>_worse_ -- _some_ might make it play better. The code that is released is well
>tested before release
>
>
>>
>>
>> IMO, 19.xx is better than 17.xx - no question. I would agree that
>>>the issue of 18.xx is better than 17.xx is up for debate.
>>
>>The question is still open
>>
>>http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/ratings/IL3b_rate.txt
>>
>>Crafty17.9 is leading
>>Crafty19.1 has not a good result.
>>
>>http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/ratings/rapid_rating_il2r.txt
>>
>>Crafty17.9 is leading
>>19.1 is not there but I do not expect 19.1 to be first place after
>>reading the following link when Crafty19.1 got only 2.5 out of 9.
>
>I would prefer to see them use 19.3 but it's not my call. 19.1 was a major
>overhaul esp. with extensions which seemed to be an area that needed workover
>18.xx and it was the first release. 19.3 is more fine tuned with the new code.
>
>
>
>>
>>http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/44045.htm
>>
>>Number of games is not enough to be sure and it is only fast time
>>control so I do not claim that 17.xx is better than 19.xx but only
>>that we have not enough evidence to say that 19.xx is better.
>
>Agree, more games are needed. I will start a new LTC (40moves/2 hours) 48
>round double RR tourney soon - I will include Chessbase native v17.9 and then
>we will have better sense.
>
>>
>>Uri
Did you test the version that you have of Movei?
Can it play under Fritz without problems?
I do not know what nps it gets with pentium4.
I use code project->setting->code generation->blend
I found that the other options pentium or pentiumpro did not make
it faster for my amd1000 mhz but maybe it make it faster for your pentium4 so I
guess that I will send you more than one exe before the tournament when you can
find the faster code.
I am interested in the speed of your computer for movei(to compare it with my
AMD1000 mhz)
Here is some analysis of movei00_79997 with 64 mbytes hash
How much time does your pentium4 need to get depth 14 with the same number of
nodes?
ECM.973
[D]2r2bk1/4qp2/3n2p1/2R1p1Np/2p1N3/r6P/1Q3PP1/3R2K1 w - - 0 1
Bm: Rxc8
no 1 10 +198 133 e4d6
no 2 10 +228 1002 e4d6 a3d3 d1d3 c8c5
no 2 20 +229 1329 d1d6
no 2 20 +231 1668 d1d6 c8c5 b2a3
no 2 20 +231 1938 d1d6 c8c5 b2a3
no 3 20 +231 2528 d1d6 c8c5 b2a3
no 3 40 +231 5020 d1d6 c8c5 b2a3
no 4 40 +236 6171 d1d6 a3b3 b2b3 c8c5
no 4 60 +236 9764 d1d6 a3b3 b2b3 c8c5
no 5 80 +238 13435 d1d6 a3b3 b2b3 c8c5 b3b8
no 5 110 +238 20698 d1d6 a3b3 b2b3 c8c5 b3b8
no 6 240 -41 45132 d1d6 c8c5 e4f6 g8h8 b2a3 c5c6 f6e4 c6d6
e4d6 e7g5 d6f7 h8g7 f7g5 f8a3
no 6 260 -40 49997 b2a3
no 6 280 -11 52947 b2a3
no 6 350 +1 66154 b2a3 d6e4 g5e4 c8c5 e4c5 e7c5 a3f3
no 6 370 +2 71542 e4d6
no 6 390 +31 75502 e4d6
no 6 470 +195 89394 e4d6 c8c5 b2a3 c5c6 g5e4 c4c3
no 6 530 +195 102513 e4d6 c8c5 b2a3 c5c6 g5e4 c4c3
no 7 640 +171 125757 e4d6 c8c5 b2a3 c5c6 g5e4 e7d8 a3b4 f8d6
e4d6
no 7 950 +171 189140 e4d6 c8c5 b2a3 c5c6 g5e4 e7d8 a3b4 f8d6
e4d6
no 8 1250 +171 250535 e4d6 c8c5 b2a3 c5c6 g5e4 e7d8 a3b4 f8d6
e4d6
no 8 1920 +172 392674 d1d6
no 8 2280 +201 462586 d1d6
no 8 2890 +218 589499 d1d6 a3b3 b2b3 c4b3 c5c8 e7a7 d6d1 b3b2
no 8 3460 +218 710782 d1d6 a3b3 b2b3 c4b3 c5c8 e7a7 d6d1 b3b2
no 9 5480 +203 1123895 d1d6 a3b3 b2b3 c4b3 c5c8 b3b2 c8b8 e7a7
d6d8 g8g7
no 9 7560 +203 1590338 d1d6 a3b3 b2b3 c4b3 c5c8 b3b2 c8b8 e7a7
d6d8 g8g7
no 10 17500 +252 3642870 d1d6 c8c5 b2a3 c5d5 a3f3 d5d6 e4d6 c4c3
d6f7 c3c2 f3c6
yes 10 19900 +253 4174900 c5c8
yes 10 21590 +281 4532030 c5c8 d6c8 d1d7 a3b3 b2c2 c8b6 d7e7 f8e7
g5f3 f7f5 e4c3
yes 10 23960 +281 5065077 c5c8 d6c8 d1d7 a3b3 b2c2 c8b6 d7e7 f8e7
g5f3 f7f5 e4c3
yes 11 27910 +263 5913225 c5c8 d6c8 d1d7 a3b3 b2c2 c8b6 d7e7 f8e7
g5f3 f7f5 e4c3 e5e4
yes 11 36510 +263 7818040 c5c8 d6c8 d1d7 a3b3 b2c2 c8b6 d7e7 f8e7
g5f3 f7f5 e4c3 e5e4
yes 12 49230 +288 10489774 c5c8 d6c8 d1d7 a3b3 b2c2 c8b6 d7e7 f8e7
g5f3 b3b5 e4d2 b5c5 d2e4
yes 12 62690 +288 13462467 c5c8 d6c8 d1d7 a3b3 b2c2 c8b6 d7e7 f8e7
g5f3 b3b5 e4d2 b5c5 d2e4
yes 13 118720 +305 25273417 c5c8 d6c8 d1d7 a3b3 b2a1 b3a3 a1c1 a3a4
d7e7 f8e7 c1b2 e7g5 e4g5 f7f6
yes 13 149760 +305 32279299 c5c8 d6c8 d1d7 a3b3 b2a1 b3a3 a1c1 a3a4
d7e7 f8e7 c1b2 e7g5 e4g5 f7f6
yes 14 267950 +290 57514052 c5c8 d6c8 d1d7 a3b3 b2a1 b3a3 a1c1 a3a4
d7e7 f8e7 e4c3 a4a5 c3e4 e7g5 e4g5
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