Author: Komputer Korner
Date: 11:14:39 10/05/98
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On October 01, 1998 at 12:50:10, John Coffey wrote: >On October 01, 1998 at 11:55:39, Alessio Iacovoni wrote: > >>On September 30, 1998 at 13:43:54, John Coffey wrote: >> >>>On September 30, 1998 at 13:33:13, Komputer Korner wrote: >>> >>>>On September 30, 1998 at 03:46:38, Shaun Graham wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 30, 1998 at 01:13:32, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 30, 1998 at 00:35:13, Shaun Graham wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>7. Aesthetic appeal, it runs in win95-98 and has multiple boards and a very >>>>>>>high qaulity 3d feature(perhaps and IMHO the best 3d available) Nicest GUI >>>>>>>available in most people oppinion i'm sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Really? I found Fritz's 3D board to be like a joke - I watched it couple of >>>>>>seconds and it was enough... CM5000 has only real 3D board so far. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jouni >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Well Bernie everyone has there own oppinion, but i think few would think >>>>>CM5000's bitmap image method can compare to the fritz 3d. You can find some >>>>>examples of what Fritz's 3d looks like on the chessbase page. >>>> >>>>I agree with Jouni. Even though the Fritz 3D has perfect rendering of shadows >>>>and depth, it's actual pieces are not lifelike enough. Perfect 3D should look >>>>like a real set of pieces and the pieces in Fritz 5 do not fit the bill. The >>>>best I have seen is the 3D set in CS TAL. CM 6000 comes next. >>>>-- >>>>Komputer Korner >>> >>> >>>I haven't seen every 3D set, but saying that perfect 3D must look totally >>>lifelike might not actually be the best solution. You can never get totally >>>lifelike because a 2D monitor does not display in 3D. In an OTB game, chances >>>are you would be moving your head around a lot so that you can see pieces >>>that are obscurred by other pieces. (A few years ago I was playing OTB >>>against someone with a dark brown wood set. I failed to notice that a fairly >>>short rook was behind a fairly large king of the same dark color. I lost >>>the game.) >>> >>>Another example of this are 2D pieces: Do they look totally lifelike? i.e. >>>I have seen sets that used 3D looking pieces on a 2D board and they look >>>dreadful. I would rather have a diagram that looks like it came out of >>>chess life. >>> >>>My point is that some representations of 3D pieces might not be the best >>>effect visually. The trouble I have is sometimes pieces blend togethor because >>>they are all the same color. The bottom line is that you want something that >> >>I don't agree.. Playing with 2d diagrams on the screen has the very negative >>effect of making you feel at loss when you are in front of a *real* board. 2d >>might be neater.. but it simply does not help at all in improving your chess. As >>to Fritz 5... at the beginning I thought too that the 3d graphics(was horrible.. >>but If you set the options to the highest values the pieces look great. Colors >>can be customized by editing the f5 file... > > > >Well I go back and forth between a real board and a 2D board all the time >without problems. The bottom line is still the same: You want something >that looks good on a 2D screen, even if it is trying to show 3D pieces. >Having something that looks *photo realistic* isn't necessarily a requirement. >The most important thing is to be able to tell the pieces apart. > >John Coffey As I have said before, 2D is best for memorizing a position and real life pieces are best for playing. The 3D in computer programs doesn't fit the bill in either category. Until virtual reality chess programs are available, 3D will always suffer. Even though 2D is not as good as real life, it still surpasses the 3D sets so far because of the inability to easily change the angle of viewing. This is not needed in 2D even though 2D suffers from lacking piece height. At first the best 3D looks good until you realize that you can't easily look over the whole board. Then you change back to 2D even though it is also less than optimal for the piece height reason. What we need is a PC board that connects to chess servers like ICC. -- Komputer Korner
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