Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 04:28:16 03/08/03
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On March 08, 2003 at 06:57:16, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On March 08, 2003 at 06:10:34, Eduard Nemeth wrote: > >>On March 08, 2003 at 04:55:09, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On March 08, 2003 at 04:01:21, Ingo Althofer wrote: >>> >>>>On March 08, 2003 at 01:50:21, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>>> >>>>>This forum is not a Forum for Statements. I know this. But my heart is crying! >>>>> >>>>>;-( >>>>> >>>>>I will read an great Artikles about Fritz in next time. >>>> >>>>You mean that you will "write", and not "read". >>>> >>>> >>>>I understand that you are not happy about new Fritz 80023, >>>>because it has very specific evaluation terms to avoid your >>>>famous opening trap. >>>> >>>>But, you should take it with a positive ground attitude instead: >>>>Be proud that you are the first single person who brought the Fritz >>>>programmers in such deep desperation that they only saw this strange >>>>way out! Take our congratulations! >>>> >>>>Ingo Althofer. >>>> >>>>PS: Perhaps Fritz 80023 has also some Achilless heels?! >>> >>> >>>The ´Anti-Nemeth-Engine´ in opening positions that can occur in practice: >>> >>>[D] r1bqkb1r/pppp1pp1/5n2/4P1p1/3pP3/1B6/PPP3PP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - 0 8 >>> >>>Analysis by Fritz 8: >>> >>>1. = (0.12): 8...Nh5 9.Qxd4 Nf4 10.g3 Ne6 11.Bxe6 fxe6 12.Nc3 a6 13.Be3 g4 >>>14.Qd1 >>>2. ± (1.06): 8...Ng8 9.Qxd4 Qe7 10.Nc3 c6 11.0-0 Nh6 12.Ne2 d6 13.exd6 Qxd6 >>>3. ± (1.34): 8...Bb4+ 9.c3 dxc3 10.bxc3 Rh4 11.cxb4 Rxe4+ 12.Kf1 Rxe5 13.Bb2 Re4 >>>14.Nd2 Rxb4 >>>4. +- (1.53): 8...Bc5 9.Bxg5 d5 10.Rf1 Rxh2 11.exf6 Rxg2 12.Qh5 Bg4 13.fxg7 Bxh5 >>>5. +- (1.59): 8...d5 9.exf6 Qxf6 10.Qe2 Bd6 11.Rf1 Qe7 12.Bxd5 f6 13.Qb5+ >>>6. +- (1.75): 8...Be7 9.exf6 Bxf6 10.0-0 d6 11.c3 Rh4 12.cxd4 Rxe4 >>>7. +- (1.87): 8...Nh7 9.0-0 d5 10.Bxd5 Be6 11.Bxb7 Bc5 12.Bc6+ >>>8. +- (1.91): 8...Rh4 9.0-0 d5 10.exf6 Qd6 11.h3 Rxe4 12.Nd2 Re6 13.fxg7 >>>9. +- (1.94): 8...Nxe4 9.Qxd4 Nc5 10.0-0 Nxb3 11.axb3 d5 12.Rxa7 Rxa7 13.Qxa7 g4 >>>14.Bf4 Qh4 >>> >>>depth 14 >>> >>>[Event "URS-ch08"] >>>[Site "Leningrad"] >>>[Date "1933.??.??"] >>>[Round "?"] >>>[White "Kan, Ilia Abramovich"] >>>[Black "Levenfish, Grigory"] >>>[Result "0-1"] >>>[ECO "C55"] >>>[PlyCount "34"] >>>[EventDate "1933.08.16"] >>>[Source ""] >>> >>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. Ng5 Ne5 6. Bb3 h6 7. f4 hxg5 8. >>>fxe5 Nxe4 9. O-O d5 10. exd6 Qxd6 11. Bxf7+ Kd8 12. g3 d3 13. Qe1 Qb6+ 14. Be3 >>>Bc5 15. Rf3 Bg4 16. Bxc5 Qxc5+ 17. Re3 Be2 0-1 >>> >>>[D] r1bqkb1r/pp1ppppp/2n2n2/8/2B1P3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - 0 5 >>> >>>Analysis by Fritz 8: >>> >>>1. ³ (-0.50): 5...Qa5+ 6.Bd2 Qc5 7.Bd3 d5 8.exd5 Qxd5 9.Nf3 Ne5 10.Bc3 Nxd3+ >>>11.Qxd3 Qxd3 12.cxd3 >>>2. = (-0.16): 5...e6 6.Nd2 d5 7.exd5 exd5 8.Be2 Bd6 9.Ngf3 0-0 10.0-0 Re8 11.Re1 >>>Qc7 >>>3. = (0.00): 5...b5 6.Bd3 Qa5+ 7.Bd2 b4 8.Nf3 d5 9.e5 Ne4 10.Be3 Nc5 11.Be2 >>>4. = (0.12): 5...Na5 6.Bd3 d5 7.e5 Ng4 8.Nf3 Nc6 9.Qe2 Qa5+ 10.c3 Qc7 >>>5. = (0.25): 5...Ne5 6.Bb3 e6 7.Nc3 Bb4 8.Nge2 d6 9.0-0 0-0 10.Bg5 >>>6. = (0.16): 5...Qb6 6.Nc3 e6 7.Nge2 Ng4 8.0-0 Bc5 9.Qe1 0-0 10.Na4 Qc7 >>>7. = (0.16): 5...a6 6.Nf3 e6 7.Bd3 d5 8.exd5 Nxd5 9.0-0 Ndb4 10.Be4 Qxd1 11.Rxd1 >>>8. = (0.19): 5...h6 6.Nc3 e6 7.Qe2 a6 8.a3 b5 9.Ba2 d5 10.exd5 >>>9. = (0.22): 5...d6 6.Nc3 e6 7.Bg5 Qa5 8.Qd2 Qb4 9.b3 h6 10.a3 Qc5 >>> >>>depth 14 >>> >>>Maybe its just a Bug after all. >> >>Now you see it. >> >>Es gibt so viele Varianten im Schach + Zugumstellungen + Rückzügen von Figuren >>etc... so dass ich jedenfalls die neue version für analysen nicht nutzen würde. >>Ich habe früher immer 1. e4 gespielt (mein Lieblingszug) und oft Lc4. >> >>Auch mit schwarz spielte ich oft auf e4 1..e5 und dann Nf6. >> >>Regards, >>Eduard > >Ich nehme an sie werden das Problem in Kürze beseitigen. >Fritz ist das in Deutschland am weitesten verbreitete Schachprogramm >und wird auch von schwächeren Spielern gerne verwendet. >Nehmen wir einmal an ein Spieler mit 1500 DWZ hat mit Weiß Probleme nach >1.e4 c5 2.c3 Sf6 3.e5 und sucht Alternativen zu 3.e5. >Er führt einfach mal den Zug 3.Lc4 aus und bekommt +-(1.62) 3...Sxe4 angezeigt. >Er könnte leicht auf die Idee kommen der Zug wäre nicht möglich >weil er eine Figur verliert. In Wirklichkeit ist 3...Sxe4 natürlich gut >spielbar. > >Michael Yes, thanks! Here other games, and a F8.0023 analysis: [Event "Wattens op"] [Site "?"] [Date "1993.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Anfang,Max"] [Black "Martynov,Pavel"] [WhiteElo "1855"] [BlackElo "2430"] [ECO "C21"] [Result "0-1"] 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. c3 Nxe4 5. Bxf7+ Kxf7 6. Qh5+ g6 7. Qd5+ Kg7 8. Qxe4 Nc6 9. Nf3 d5 10. Qe2 Qe7 11. Nxd4 Nxd4 12. Qxe7+ Bxe7 13. cxd4 Bf6 14. Nc3 c6 15. Be3 Re8 16. O-O Bf5 17. Rac1 Re7 18. h3 h5 19. Rfd1 Rae8 20. Na4 g5 21. b4 g4 22. hxg4 Bxg4 23. Rd2 Rxe3 24. fxe3 Bg5 25. Rc3 Bxe3+ 26. Rxe3 Rxe3 27. Nc5 b6 28. Nd3 Bf5 29. Nf4 h4 30. Kf2 Rc3 31. b5 Be4 32. bxc6 Rxc6 33. Ke3 Rc3+ 34. Kf2 Kf6 35. Ne2 Ra3 36. Nc1 Ke6 37. Rb2 Rg3 38. Kf1 Kd6 39. Rf2 Kc6 40. Rf4 Bxg2+ 41. Kf2 Rc3 42. Kxg2 Rxc1 43. Rxh4 Rc2+ 44. Kf3 Rxa2 45. Rh8 Kb5 46. Rc8 a5 47. Ke3 Rh2 0-1 [Event "Hermannen op"] [Site "?"] [Date "1997.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Neuss,Thomas"] [Black "Blinn,Jonas"] [ECO "C21"] [Result "0-1"] 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Bxf7+ Kxf7 6. Qh5+ g6 7. Qd5+ Kg7 8. Qxe4 dxc3 9. Nxc3 Qe7 10. Qxe7+ Bxe7 11. Bf4 d6 12. Nd5 Bd8 13. Be3 Re8 14. Rc1 c6 15. Ne2 cxd5 16. Rxc8 Ba5+ 17. Rc3 Bxc3+ 18. Nxc3 0-1 [Event "Asturias-ch Primera A"] [Site "?"] [Date "2000.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Aparicio Garcia,Enrique"] [Black "Garcia Sanchez,David Manrique"] [ECO "C21"] [Result "1-0"] 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 Nf6 4. Bc4 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nf3 Bc5 7. O-O O-O 8. cxd4 Bb6 9. Nc3 c6 10. Qb3 Be6 11. Bg5 Qd6 12. Ne4 Qc7 13. Bh4 Qf4 14. Rfe1 Nd7 15. Bg3 Qh6 16. Neg5 Rae8 17. Bd6 Bc7 18. Bxf8 Kxf8 19. Nxe6+ fxe6 20. Bxd5 exd5 21. Qxb7 Qd6 22. Rxe8+ Kxe8 23. Qc8+ Kf7 24. Re1 Nf6 25. Ne5+ 1-0 [Event "NRW-ch U12 Bergneustadt"] [Site "?"] [Date "2000.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Sohrabi,Daria"] [Black "Utsch,Thomas"] [ECO "C21"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. c3 dxc3 5. e5 Ne4 6. Qd5 Qe7 7. Qxe4 cxb2 8. Bxb2 d6 9. Nf3 c6 10. Qe3 d5 11. Bb3 Qb4+ 12. Nc3 Bc5 13. Qd3 Bg4 14. O-O O-O 15. Ng5 g6 16. h3 Bf5 17. Qg3 Nd7 18. h4 Qg4 19. Qxg4 Bxg4 20. Na4 Be7 21. f3 Bf5 22. g4 Bd3 23. Rfd1 Be2 24. Re1 Bd3 25. f4 b5 26. Nc3 Bc5+ 27. Kh1 Bb4 28. e6 fxe6 29. Nxe6 Rfe8 30. Nc7 Rxe1+ 31. Rxe1 Rc8 32. Re8+ Rxe8 33. Nxe8 Nc5 34. Nf6+ Kg7 35. Nfxd5 cxd5 36. Nxd5+ Kf8 37. Nxb4 Be4+ 38. Kh2 h5 39. gxh5 gxh5 40. Ba3 Ke8 41. Bd5 Bxd5 42. Nxd5 Nd3 43. Nf6+ Kf7 44. Nxh5 Kg6 45. Ng3 b4 46. Bxb4 Nxb4 47. a3 Nc2 48. f5+ Kf6 49. Kh3 a5 50. Kg4 Nxa3 51. h5 Kg7 52. Kg5 Nc4 53. f6+ Kf8 54. h6 Kg8 55. Kg6 Ne5+ 56. Kf5 Nf7 57. Kg6 a4 58. Ne4 a3 59. Nc3 Ne5+ 60. Kf5 Nf7 61. Kg6 Ne5+ 62. Kh5 Kh7 63. Kg5 Nf7+ 1/2-1/2 What is the best move for black? If You see the games then Nxe4 or? Fritz 8.0023 : Anfang,M - Martynov,P [D]rnbqkb1r/pppp1ppp/5n2/8/2BpP3/2P5/PP3PPP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - 0 1 Analysis by Fritz 8.0023: 1. µ (-0.81): 4...Sc6 5.cxd4 Sxe4 6.Sf3 Lb4+ 7.Sbd2 Lxd2+ 8.Lxd2 d5 9.Ld3 0-0 2. ³ (-0.28): 4...d6 5.Lg5 Le7 6.Lxf6 Lxf6 7.cxd4 0-0 8.Sc3 c6 9.Sge2 3. = (-0.22): 4...dxc3 5.Sxc3 Sc6 6.Sf3 Lb4 7.e5 De7 8.De2 Sg4 9.Lg5 4. = (-0.16): 4...d5 5.exd5 Sxd5 6.Dxd4 De7+ 7.Se2 Sb6 8.Lb5+ Ld7 9.Ld3 Sc6 5. = (-0.16): 4...a6 5.Sf3 Sc6 6.Lg5 dxc3 7.Sxc3 h6 8.Le3 b5 9.Lb3 6. = (-0.16): 4...c5 5.De2 d5 6.exd5+ Le7 7.cxd4 cxd4 8.Sf3 0-0 9.De5 d3 10.Lxd3 7. = (-0.13): 4...c6 5.Dxd4 De7 6.Ld3 d5 7.e5 Sbd7 8.Sf3 Sc5 9.0-0 Sxd3 8. = (0.00): 4...b5 5.Lxb5 Sxe4 6.Sf3 De7 7.0-0 dxc3 8.Sxc3 Sxc3 9.bxc3 Lb7 9. = (0.00): 4...Ld6 5.Sf3 Sc6 6.Lg5 De7 7.Ld5 dxc3 8.Sxc3 h6 9.Lh4 10. = (0.03): 4...h6 5.Sf3 Sc6 6.e5 d5 7.Ld3 De7 8.De2 Se4 9.cxd4 Eduard
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