Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 04:51:21 03/08/03
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On March 08, 2003 at 07:28:16, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >On March 08, 2003 at 06:57:16, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On March 08, 2003 at 06:10:34, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >> >>>On March 08, 2003 at 04:55:09, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>> >>>>On March 08, 2003 at 04:01:21, Ingo Althofer wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 08, 2003 at 01:50:21, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>This forum is not a Forum for Statements. I know this. But my heart is crying! >>>>>> >>>>>>;-( >>>>>> >>>>>>I will read an great Artikles about Fritz in next time. >>>>> >>>>>You mean that you will "write", and not "read". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I understand that you are not happy about new Fritz 80023, >>>>>because it has very specific evaluation terms to avoid your >>>>>famous opening trap. >>>>> >>>>>But, you should take it with a positive ground attitude instead: >>>>>Be proud that you are the first single person who brought the Fritz >>>>>programmers in such deep desperation that they only saw this strange >>>>>way out! Take our congratulations! >>>>> >>>>>Ingo Althofer. >>>>> >>>>>PS: Perhaps Fritz 80023 has also some Achilless heels?! >>>> >>>> >>>>The ´Anti-Nemeth-Engine´ in opening positions that can occur in practice: >>>> >>>>[D] r1bqkb1r/pppp1pp1/5n2/4P1p1/3pP3/1B6/PPP3PP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - 0 8 >>>> >>>>Analysis by Fritz 8: >>>> >>>>1. = (0.12): 8...Nh5 9.Qxd4 Nf4 10.g3 Ne6 11.Bxe6 fxe6 12.Nc3 a6 13.Be3 g4 >>>>14.Qd1 >>>>2. ± (1.06): 8...Ng8 9.Qxd4 Qe7 10.Nc3 c6 11.0-0 Nh6 12.Ne2 d6 13.exd6 Qxd6 >>>>3. ± (1.34): 8...Bb4+ 9.c3 dxc3 10.bxc3 Rh4 11.cxb4 Rxe4+ 12.Kf1 Rxe5 13.Bb2 Re4 >>>>14.Nd2 Rxb4 >>>>4. +- (1.53): 8...Bc5 9.Bxg5 d5 10.Rf1 Rxh2 11.exf6 Rxg2 12.Qh5 Bg4 13.fxg7 Bxh5 >>>>5. +- (1.59): 8...d5 9.exf6 Qxf6 10.Qe2 Bd6 11.Rf1 Qe7 12.Bxd5 f6 13.Qb5+ >>>>6. +- (1.75): 8...Be7 9.exf6 Bxf6 10.0-0 d6 11.c3 Rh4 12.cxd4 Rxe4 >>>>7. +- (1.87): 8...Nh7 9.0-0 d5 10.Bxd5 Be6 11.Bxb7 Bc5 12.Bc6+ >>>>8. +- (1.91): 8...Rh4 9.0-0 d5 10.exf6 Qd6 11.h3 Rxe4 12.Nd2 Re6 13.fxg7 >>>>9. +- (1.94): 8...Nxe4 9.Qxd4 Nc5 10.0-0 Nxb3 11.axb3 d5 12.Rxa7 Rxa7 13.Qxa7 g4 >>>>14.Bf4 Qh4 >>>> >>>>depth 14 >>>> >>>>[Event "URS-ch08"] >>>>[Site "Leningrad"] >>>>[Date "1933.??.??"] >>>>[Round "?"] >>>>[White "Kan, Ilia Abramovich"] >>>>[Black "Levenfish, Grigory"] >>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>[ECO "C55"] >>>>[PlyCount "34"] >>>>[EventDate "1933.08.16"] >>>>[Source ""] >>>> >>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. Ng5 Ne5 6. Bb3 h6 7. f4 hxg5 8. >>>>fxe5 Nxe4 9. O-O d5 10. exd6 Qxd6 11. Bxf7+ Kd8 12. g3 d3 13. Qe1 Qb6+ 14. Be3 >>>>Bc5 15. Rf3 Bg4 16. Bxc5 Qxc5+ 17. Re3 Be2 0-1 >>>> >>>>[D] r1bqkb1r/pp1ppppp/2n2n2/8/2B1P3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - 0 5 >>>> >>>>Analysis by Fritz 8: >>>> >>>>1. ³ (-0.50): 5...Qa5+ 6.Bd2 Qc5 7.Bd3 d5 8.exd5 Qxd5 9.Nf3 Ne5 10.Bc3 Nxd3+ >>>>11.Qxd3 Qxd3 12.cxd3 >>>>2. = (-0.16): 5...e6 6.Nd2 d5 7.exd5 exd5 8.Be2 Bd6 9.Ngf3 0-0 10.0-0 Re8 11.Re1 >>>>Qc7 >>>>3. = (0.00): 5...b5 6.Bd3 Qa5+ 7.Bd2 b4 8.Nf3 d5 9.e5 Ne4 10.Be3 Nc5 11.Be2 >>>>4. = (0.12): 5...Na5 6.Bd3 d5 7.e5 Ng4 8.Nf3 Nc6 9.Qe2 Qa5+ 10.c3 Qc7 >>>>5. = (0.25): 5...Ne5 6.Bb3 e6 7.Nc3 Bb4 8.Nge2 d6 9.0-0 0-0 10.Bg5 >>>>6. = (0.16): 5...Qb6 6.Nc3 e6 7.Nge2 Ng4 8.0-0 Bc5 9.Qe1 0-0 10.Na4 Qc7 >>>>7. = (0.16): 5...a6 6.Nf3 e6 7.Bd3 d5 8.exd5 Nxd5 9.0-0 Ndb4 10.Be4 Qxd1 11.Rxd1 >>>>8. = (0.19): 5...h6 6.Nc3 e6 7.Qe2 a6 8.a3 b5 9.Ba2 d5 10.exd5 >>>>9. = (0.22): 5...d6 6.Nc3 e6 7.Bg5 Qa5 8.Qd2 Qb4 9.b3 h6 10.a3 Qc5 >>>> >>>>depth 14 >>>> >>>>Maybe its just a Bug after all. >>> >>>Now you see it. >>> >>>Es gibt so viele Varianten im Schach + Zugumstellungen + Rückzügen von Figuren >>>etc... so dass ich jedenfalls die neue version für analysen nicht nutzen würde. >>>Ich habe früher immer 1. e4 gespielt (mein Lieblingszug) und oft Lc4. >>> >>>Auch mit schwarz spielte ich oft auf e4 1..e5 und dann Nf6. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Eduard >> >>Ich nehme an sie werden das Problem in Kürze beseitigen. >>Fritz ist das in Deutschland am weitesten verbreitete Schachprogramm >>und wird auch von schwächeren Spielern gerne verwendet. >>Nehmen wir einmal an ein Spieler mit 1500 DWZ hat mit Weiß Probleme nach >>1.e4 c5 2.c3 Sf6 3.e5 und sucht Alternativen zu 3.e5. >>Er führt einfach mal den Zug 3.Lc4 aus und bekommt +-(1.62) 3...Sxe4 angezeigt. >>Er könnte leicht auf die Idee kommen der Zug wäre nicht möglich >>weil er eine Figur verliert. In Wirklichkeit ist 3...Sxe4 natürlich gut >>spielbar. >> >>Michael > >Yes, thanks! > >Here other games, and a F8.0023 analysis: > > >[Event "Wattens op"] >[Site "?"] >[Date "1993.??.??"] >[Round "?"] >[White "Anfang,Max"] >[Black "Martynov,Pavel"] >[WhiteElo "1855"] >[BlackElo "2430"] >[ECO "C21"] >[Result "0-1"] > >1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. c3 Nxe4 5. Bxf7+ Kxf7 >6. Qh5+ g6 7. Qd5+ Kg7 8. Qxe4 Nc6 9. Nf3 d5 10. Qe2 Qe7 >11. Nxd4 Nxd4 12. Qxe7+ Bxe7 13. cxd4 Bf6 14. Nc3 c6 >15. Be3 Re8 16. O-O Bf5 17. Rac1 Re7 18. h3 h5 19. Rfd1 >Rae8 20. Na4 g5 21. b4 g4 22. hxg4 Bxg4 23. Rd2 Rxe3 >24. fxe3 Bg5 25. Rc3 Bxe3+ 26. Rxe3 Rxe3 27. Nc5 b6 28. Nd3 >Bf5 29. Nf4 h4 30. Kf2 Rc3 31. b5 Be4 32. bxc6 Rxc6 33. Ke3 >Rc3+ 34. Kf2 Kf6 35. Ne2 Ra3 36. Nc1 Ke6 37. Rb2 Rg3 >38. Kf1 Kd6 39. Rf2 Kc6 40. Rf4 Bxg2+ 41. Kf2 Rc3 42. Kxg2 >Rxc1 43. Rxh4 Rc2+ 44. Kf3 Rxa2 45. Rh8 Kb5 46. Rc8 a5 >47. Ke3 Rh2 0-1 > > >[Event "Hermannen op"] >[Site "?"] >[Date "1997.??.??"] >[Round "?"] >[White "Neuss,Thomas"] >[Black "Blinn,Jonas"] >[ECO "C21"] >[Result "0-1"] > >1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Bxf7+ Kxf7 >6. Qh5+ g6 7. Qd5+ Kg7 8. Qxe4 dxc3 9. Nxc3 Qe7 10. Qxe7+ >Bxe7 11. Bf4 d6 12. Nd5 Bd8 13. Be3 Re8 14. Rc1 c6 15. Ne2 >cxd5 16. Rxc8 Ba5+ 17. Rc3 Bxc3+ 18. Nxc3 0-1 > > >[Event "Asturias-ch Primera A"] >[Site "?"] >[Date "2000.??.??"] >[Round "?"] >[White "Aparicio Garcia,Enrique"] >[Black "Garcia Sanchez,David Manrique"] >[ECO "C21"] >[Result "1-0"] > >1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 Nf6 4. Bc4 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nf3 >Bc5 7. O-O O-O 8. cxd4 Bb6 9. Nc3 c6 10. Qb3 Be6 11. Bg5 >Qd6 12. Ne4 Qc7 13. Bh4 Qf4 14. Rfe1 Nd7 15. Bg3 Qh6 >16. Neg5 Rae8 17. Bd6 Bc7 18. Bxf8 Kxf8 19. Nxe6+ fxe6 >20. Bxd5 exd5 21. Qxb7 Qd6 22. Rxe8+ Kxe8 23. Qc8+ Kf7 >24. Re1 Nf6 25. Ne5+ 1-0 > >[Event "NRW-ch U12 Bergneustadt"] >[Site "?"] >[Date "2000.??.??"] >[Round "?"] >[White "Sohrabi,Daria"] >[Black "Utsch,Thomas"] >[ECO "C21"] >[Result "1/2-1/2"] > >1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. c3 dxc3 5. e5 Ne4 6. Qd5 >Qe7 7. Qxe4 cxb2 8. Bxb2 d6 9. Nf3 c6 10. Qe3 d5 11. Bb3 >Qb4+ 12. Nc3 Bc5 13. Qd3 Bg4 14. O-O O-O 15. Ng5 g6 16. h3 >Bf5 17. Qg3 Nd7 18. h4 Qg4 19. Qxg4 Bxg4 20. Na4 Be7 21. f3 >Bf5 22. g4 Bd3 23. Rfd1 Be2 24. Re1 Bd3 25. f4 b5 26. Nc3 >Bc5+ 27. Kh1 Bb4 28. e6 fxe6 29. Nxe6 Rfe8 30. Nc7 Rxe1+ >31. Rxe1 Rc8 32. Re8+ Rxe8 33. Nxe8 Nc5 34. Nf6+ Kg7 >35. Nfxd5 cxd5 36. Nxd5+ Kf8 37. Nxb4 Be4+ 38. Kh2 h5 >39. gxh5 gxh5 40. Ba3 Ke8 41. Bd5 Bxd5 42. Nxd5 Nd3 >43. Nf6+ Kf7 44. Nxh5 Kg6 45. Ng3 b4 46. Bxb4 Nxb4 47. a3 >Nc2 48. f5+ Kf6 49. Kh3 a5 50. Kg4 Nxa3 51. h5 Kg7 52. Kg5 >Nc4 53. f6+ Kf8 54. h6 Kg8 55. Kg6 Ne5+ 56. Kf5 Nf7 57. Kg6 >a4 58. Ne4 a3 59. Nc3 Ne5+ 60. Kf5 Nf7 61. Kg6 Ne5+ 62. Kh5 >Kh7 63. Kg5 Nf7+ 1/2-1/2 > >What is the best move for black? If You see the games then Nxe4 or? > >Fritz 8.0023 : > >Anfang,M - Martynov,P > >[D]rnbqkb1r/pppp1ppp/5n2/8/2BpP3/2P5/PP3PPP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 8.0023: > >1. µ (-0.81): 4...Sc6 5.cxd4 Sxe4 6.Sf3 Lb4+ 7.Sbd2 Lxd2+ 8.Lxd2 d5 9.Ld3 0-0 >2. ³ (-0.28): 4...d6 5.Lg5 Le7 6.Lxf6 Lxf6 7.cxd4 0-0 8.Sc3 c6 9.Sge2 >3. = (-0.22): 4...dxc3 5.Sxc3 Sc6 6.Sf3 Lb4 7.e5 De7 8.De2 Sg4 9.Lg5 >4. = (-0.16): 4...d5 5.exd5 Sxd5 6.Dxd4 De7+ 7.Se2 Sb6 8.Lb5+ Ld7 9.Ld3 Sc6 >5. = (-0.16): 4...a6 5.Sf3 Sc6 6.Lg5 dxc3 7.Sxc3 h6 8.Le3 b5 9.Lb3 >6. = (-0.16): 4...c5 5.De2 d5 6.exd5+ Le7 7.cxd4 cxd4 8.Sf3 0-0 9.De5 d3 10.Lxd3 >7. = (-0.13): 4...c6 5.Dxd4 De7 6.Ld3 d5 7.e5 Sbd7 8.Sf3 Sc5 9.0-0 Sxd3 >8. = (0.00): 4...b5 5.Lxb5 Sxe4 6.Sf3 De7 7.0-0 dxc3 8.Sxc3 Sxc3 9.bxc3 Lb7 >9. = (0.00): 4...Ld6 5.Sf3 Sc6 6.Lg5 De7 7.Ld5 dxc3 8.Sxc3 h6 9.Lh4 >10. = (0.03): 4...h6 5.Sf3 Sc6 6.e5 d5 7.Ld3 De7 8.De2 Se4 9.cxd4 > >Eduard Tourn Level: Eduard - Fritz 7 [C21] 120'/40+60'/20+30' 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.c3 Nxe4 [4...Sxe4 -0.69/13 7:04 ] Against me played Fritz 7 the best move ! Eduard
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