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Subject: Re: what program is best to play correspondece chess against humans?Sorr

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:03:04 03/11/03

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On March 11, 2003 at 15:08:22, Drexel,Michael wrote:

>On March 11, 2003 at 14:33:37, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On March 11, 2003 at 14:10:26, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>
>>>On March 11, 2003 at 13:08:01, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 11, 2003 at 05:56:08, Peter Berger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 10, 2003 at 13:44:12, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 10, 2003 at 12:17:36, Peter Berger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I did not look at the games but using a computer does not mean to play
>>>>>>computer moves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Computers can be used for analysis of positions that is not on the board
>>>>>>and I think that giving computer hours to analyze when you sleep may give more
>>>>>>information so it is better than nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I tend to believe that the top players do everything to help them and it
>>>>>>includes using computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree - it seems corresponcence chess is a dying sport. In maybe 10 years due
>>>>>to advances in hardware (and software, too) chessprograms will be virtually
>>>>>unbeatable. At this time top level correspondence chess will most likely be a
>>>>>battle of clever computer operators.
>>>
>>>Humans with the help of computers (not vice versa) will be clearly stronger than
>>>all computerprograms in 10 years too.
>>>Do you understand anything about Analysing with a computer?
>>>Do you know how deep one can get in a typical middlegame position?
>>>Especially if you know from experience which moves the computer oppponents
>>>prefer.
>>>Do you know what ply 20,30,40 really means?
>>>I hope so, but I have doubts when I read your statements.
>>>Artificial intelligence or Quantum computers are "necessary" to play (almost for
>>>AI) perfect chess. Not in the next 10 years of course.
>>>
>>>Michael
>>
>>You may be right if you assume only hardware progress but
>>I think that you underestimate the possible progress in software that can
>>be done.
>>
>>Uri
>
>I believe there will be not much progress in software unless a genius
>will appear with revolutionary new ideas.
>Someone who is a very good chessprogrammer AND a very strong chessplayer
>(IM/GM).
>Very unlikely because he wont get money for his research for years.

Most programmers do not get money for their program for years so I see no reason
why this is unlikely.

I do not think that we need a good chess player(IM/GM).


>
>I cant understand people who believe that computers will play almost perfect
>chess in 10 years. This is laughable.
>
>Michael

This is dependent on the defintion of almost.

Uri



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