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Subject: Re: Since the CPU is what really count for Chess !

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 12:42:56 03/18/03

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On March 18, 2003 at 10:12:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 18, 2003 at 00:24:01, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>
>>On March 18, 2003 at 00:01:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On March 17, 2003 at 22:59:30, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 17, 2003 at 18:47:27, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I just run the experiment. I used 2 otherwise identical 64-bit systems, one with
>>>>>3Mb of L3 cache, other with 1.5Mb. Machine with bigger cache run Crafty's
>>>>>"bench" comman 12% faster (1 CPU).
>>>>>
>>>>>That means that
>>>>>(1) Crafty's working set don't fit into 1.5Mb,
>>>>>(2) For systems with cache 1.5Mb or less (i.e. for almost all x86 systems) for
>>>>>Crafty memory speed matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Eugene
>>>>
>>>>Those types of systems aren't what people normally use. Most people here have a
>>>>Pentium 3, Athlon, Pentium 4, etc. Here is something I found with Crafty.
>>>>
>>>>Using the Nforce2 chipset I'm able to run the ram at speeds from 50% up to 200%
>>>>(100% being synchronous) of the fsb speed. I tested 200MHz FSB (400DDR) with
>>>>200MHz memory (400DDR) and 200fsb with 100MHz memory (200DDR).
>>>>The difference between ~1.6gb/s memory and ~3.2gb/s memory with craftys 'bench'
>>>>command was 0.14%. Yes, about one seventh of one percent.
>>>
>>>That might well suggest _another_ bottleneck in that particular machine....
>>
>>Another bottleneck? What was the original one?
>
>
>The original one was assumed to be bus speed.  That's where I entered the
>discussion.  But bus speed is not the _only_ issue that can cause problems
>here.
>
>Lack of interleaving is another.

All modern single cpu computers have 4 way/4 bank memory interleaving. Even my
old dual Celeron box has 4 bank/4 way interleaving...



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