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Subject: Re: Not A Blast Re: Where are 64 bits machine?

Author: Matthew Hull

Date: 17:43:42 03/18/03

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On March 18, 2003 at 18:08:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 18, 2003 at 16:57:17, Brian Richardson wrote:
>
>>On March 18, 2003 at 16:31:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On March 18, 2003 at 15:17:30, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 18, 2003 at 14:04:56, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 17, 2003 at 19:49:30, leonid wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 17, 2003 at 19:30:35, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On March 17, 2003 at 19:17:38, leonid wrote:
>>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>>>It is truly sad that this kind of chip (Alpha) went to its end! Still, other
>>>>>>>>fact of migration to the new Itanium chip is very positive. This signify that
>>>>>>>>Intel's 64 chip had certain success and its quantity production is coming in
>>>>>>>>real. Then prices cuts should become tangible very soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Intel is in no hurry to get the Itanic floating, and has said so themselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Look for AMD to beat them out the door with cost effective volumes by a
>>>>>>>landslide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Microsoft also prefers the AMD approach, since all the old software will run
>>>>>>>without any modification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To be sincere I do know that AMD chip will be more accessible for me to buy but
>>>>>>Intel's chip more attractive to program. Intel's 128 registers do make me dream
>>>>>>without even mentioning its new architecture. Learning completely new Assembler
>>>>>>will be also interesting thing to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>$65000 for a 4 processor 1Ghz I2 box.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or if you buy 1 chip in a small 4 x 4 centimeter paper box it will be 'only
>>>>>$10000' or so.
>>>>>
>>>>>And that price won't get cheaper at all
>>>>>
>>>>>So forget itanium2 unless you have access to a supercomputer that has them.
>>>>
>>>>Pricing information (cheapest I could find):
>>>>http://www.hp.com/workstations/products/itanium/zx6000/summary.html
>>>
>>>
>>>Not bad.  Dual for just over $6,000 would be a blast for a certain chess
>>>program. :)
>>
>>I have a dual Itanium2 1GHz system.  Perhaps you forgot my earlier post.
>>With the optimizing compilers (tried both Intel and Microsoft), it runs
>>Tinker at about 2GHz Pentium speed (x86 binary code at only 30%).
>>
>>Has anyone been able to reproduce your (Eugene's?) results showing MUCH faster
>>Itanium2 performance?
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>PS No integrated Visual Studio environment or debugger, working with command
>>line interfaces, and so far pretty disappointing.
>
>The numbers from Intel were good, but they were on a single-cpu Itanium-2
>machine.
>
>Eugene's were also from a single-cpu Itanium-2 if I recall correctly.
>
>One issue might be the compiler.  Eugene obviously has the latest since he is in
>the
>compiler group at MS.  Intel may be using a beta MS compiler or their own, I
>don't
>know.


Maybe he's not got Makefile configured correctly or chess.h.  If he's got "undef
HAS_64BITS" then the 64 bit c code does not get included, yes?

Matt



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