Author: Uri Blass
Date: 02:47:43 03/19/03
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On March 19, 2003 at 05:22:50, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>On March 19, 2003 at 04:04:34, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On March 19, 2003 at 02:56:21, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On March 18, 2003 at 18:48:40, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 18, 2003 at 17:39:32, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 18, 2003 at 16:30:30, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>hm, very well. But how can white make progress on the kingside?
>>>>>
>>>>>Apparently you just read the last paragraph, but did NOT bother to analyze the
>>>>>position at all.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> I let Hiarcs 8 play this position under shoot which is half way solved and it
>>>didn't find the wright solution. I don't think there is any program that can
>>>find the wright idea.
>>>
>>>[D]8/8/4k1K1/2p1p3/2PbP1N1/8/8/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>I see that the game ended in a draw.
>>I did not analyze the position and did not look in the game but I think that if
>>you criticize programs for not finding the right solution you should explain
>>what is the move that they fail to find and when did Hiarcs blunder in the game.
>>
>>Uri
>
>You are correct to say that I should NOT criticize programs for not finding the
>right solution. This position was taken from this great book by Graham Burgess
>which is forwarded by Dr. John Nunn:http://www.chess.it/libri/4554.htm.
>According to the Author top programs still have difficulty finding the right
>idea, without realizing that White could win easily. IM Burgess recommend
>that White has an easy win. But I can't show you the right continuation. Just
>because top programs of today can't find the right continuation, that doesn't
>make today top programs weak, nor if they can NOT find the right idea in those
>positions that Edward is posting, simply because if a human Gm is playing
>against these top programs, the programs would NOT walk into these positions.
>
>"White will now play Kf6-h7-g5+, etc and win easily. However,
>if there were no black pawn on c5, then Black would have sufficient
>counterplay to hold the draw, since his King could use the c5-square
>to attack White's pawn"
>
>Jorge
I read it but in the game that you posted you gave the line
Nh7-f6-g5(similiar line) with a draw
1... Bg1 2. Nh6 {[%emt 0:02:26]} Bd4 {(Be3) [%emt 0:02:25]} 3. Nf7 {
(Nf5) [%emt 0:02:33]} Bc3 {(Ke7) [%emt 0:02:31]} 4. Ng5+ {[%emt 0:02:18]}
You did not explain what is the error of white.
I did not have time to look at the game to see what exactly happened but
the game proves that the idea to put the knight at g5 does not win so easily.
Uri
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