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Subject: Re: Programs would have great difficulty finding the right idea !

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:28:51 03/19/03

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On March 19, 2003 at 06:46:56, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On March 19, 2003 at 06:19:18, Joachim Rang wrote:
>
>>On March 18, 2003 at 17:39:32, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On March 18, 2003 at 16:30:30, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>>
>>>>hm, very well. But how can white make progress on the kingside?
>>>
>>>Apparently you just read the last paragraph, but did NOT bother to analyze the
>>>position at all.
>>>
>>>[D]8/8/4k1K1/2p1p3/2PbP1N1/8/8/8 b - - 0 9
>>>
>>>
>>>White will now play Kf6-h7-g5+, etc and win easily. However,
>>>if there were no black pawn on c5, then Black would have sufficient
>>>counterplay to hold the draw, since his King could use the c5-square
>>>to attack White's pawn.
>>>
>>>Pichard
>>
>>I meant this position:
>>
>>
>>[D]8/8/6k1/2p1p3/2P1P1K1/3N4/8/b7 w - - 0 1
>>
>>I did analyze this position with Ruffian and tried several ideas to make
>>progress on the kingside. Unfortunately I was unable to find a way to advance
>>with my king. What is the plan in this position?
> The idea is to get your White King to d5! by using your knight to chase the
>Balck King away and eventually win the e pawn, but IM Burgess failed to give the
>correct continuation on his book. I also tried several lines with Fritz 8,
>Hiarcs 8 and Shredder 7, but failed to win with White. I guess that IM Graham
>Burgess did NOT tried this position himself before he satated that it was a easy
>win for White. Now the reason why we buy this programs is to see if they can
>help us analyze and learn from position such as this one.
>
>I already gave up on this position since I can NOT find any top programs that
>can help me here.
>
>PS: Probably against another IM like Burgess he can proves that it is an easy
>win for White, but NOt against the top programs of today :-))
>
>Pichard.

I do not believe that he could win against another IM
The truth is probably that pachman did not care much about the position because
it was only part of his book and not part of his game.

GM's often do not care about correct analysis because nobody pay them for
correct analysis.

GM's usually care more about their games because a mistake in games may cost
them money.

Uri



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