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Subject: Re: C O R R E C T I O N of the starting position

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 06:43:29 03/19/03

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On March 19, 2003 at 09:31:05, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On March 19, 2003 at 07:11:50, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>
>>On March 18, 2003 at 15:47:53, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>This is a very difficult position for most chess programs.
>>>
>>>[D]8/8/6k1/2p1p3/2P1P1K1/3N4/8/b7 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>This position was given by Pachman in the third volume of his "Complete
>>>Chess Strategy" trilogy to illustrate a position where a computer
>>>would have great difficulty finding the right idea.  In fairness,
>>>it might be added that most humans would fail this particular test;
>>>indeed in the game Pachman grabbed the pawn. 1.Kxc5?
>>>
>>>This obvious, materialistic move throws away the win' "White's
>>>c-pawn cannot be advanced to the queening square without the help of
>>>the king, but this allows Black to counter by attacking the e-pawn"-
>>>Pachman.
>>>
>>>
>>>Supposing it were instead Black to move, the following variation is
>>>enlightening:
>>>
>>>1... Bd4 2. Ne1 Bf2 3. Nf3 Kf6  or 3...Bd4 4. Kh4+ Kf6 5. Kf5
>>>4. Kh5 Bg3 5. Nh4 Bf2 6. Nf5 Bg1 7. Nh6 Bd4 8. Ng4+ Ke6 9. Kg6
>>>
>>>[D]8/8/4k1K1/2p1p3/2PbP1N1/8/8/8 b - - 0 9
>>>
>>>White will now play Kf6-h7-g5+, etc and win easily. However,
>>
>>
>>Did Pachman say, "White will now play Nf6-h7-g5+, etc and win easily" or is this
>>what you say? If this is what Pachman said, then it is clear he did not fully
>>understand the position, because I'm a NM who can't find the win.
>
>Pachman didn't say anything at all, it was IM Graham Burgess who said that
>Pachman missed an opportunity to win, since Pachman himself grabbed the c pawn
>and the game ended in a draw. But IM Burgess on his book stated that this would
>be a great position for programs since they are too materialists and eventually
>will grab the pawn like Pachman did back in 1944. It was IM Burgess who stated
>"White will now play Nf6-h7-g5+, etc and win easily" so I tested most of my
>programs and noticed that all grabbed the c pawn just like Pachman did.
>
>Pichard
>
>>It seems Black gets just enough counterplay by making an appropriately timed run
>>around to attack the pawns from the rear via a5 with his King. It is very
>>possible that Pachman assumed this type of defence was not possible.
>>
>>The endgame ability of even GMs is often greatly exagerated in the minds of most
>>players. This is largely due to the examination of games from the days where
>>players benefitted greatly from adjournment analysis.
>>
>>If you can dig up evidence the position can be won following Pachman's
>>prescription, I would be very interested in seeing it. It would surely be quite
>>instructive.
>>
>>
>>>if there were no black pawn on c5, then Black would have sufficient
>>>counterplay to hold the draw, since his King could use the c5-square
>>>to attack White's pawns.
>>>
>>>Thus in our start position, White should NOT take the c-pawn, but
>>>instead make progress on the kingside by manoeuvering his knight.
>>>
>>>[D]8/8/6k1/2p1p3/2P1P1K1/3N4/8/b7 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Pichard.



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