Author: Uri Blass
Date: 09:06:23 03/23/03
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On March 23, 2003 at 11:51:52, Peter Berger wrote: >On March 23, 2003 at 04:17:22, Frank Phillips wrote: > >>On March 23, 2003 at 02:38:31, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On March 22, 2003 at 23:15:19, Lyn Harper wrote: >>> >>>>On March 22, 2003 at 13:17:48, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 22, 2003 at 13:16:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>><snipped> >>>>>>The only reason to make them weaker relative to humans is simply to change the >>>>>>rules of the game. >>>>> >>>>>Should be the only way to nake them... >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>> >>>I see that I made a mistake in my correction (make and not nake) >>> >>>> >>>> But is'nt this just inventing ways to delay the inevitable? The programs are >>>>just getting stronger while the humans are'nt. Accept it. >>> >>>If you change the rules humans will be relatively stronger and after the delay >>>you can change the rules again. >>> >>>I think that humans also can learn to be stronger in normal chess thanks to >>>computers. >>> >>>I agree that in every static game computers are going to win after enough time >>>and this is exactly the reason to change the rules. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>So we have a game the rules of which are that humans must be able to >>win....bizarre. >> >> >>Frank > >Why is that bizarre? It's just a little early now but some day some kind of >rules will be needed to make man-machine matches interesting as the silicon will >be too strong for equal competition. > >Obviously there are two ways this can be done: > >a.) limitting the computer power and ressources > >I like this approach most. Will there be a day when a program on a current >Pocket PC or Palm can compete with human top players? That's a very long way to >go still. > >b.) adapting the rules > >Maybe the easy and old approach of playing with uneven material is nicest here. >That's a little similar to Go. How long until a program can win against top >players with a knight less? Never I believe that even god is going to lose against the top humans and even against 2600 GM's with a knight odd. Uri
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