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Subject: Re: computers are soo strong - haha

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:06:23 03/23/03

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On March 23, 2003 at 11:51:52, Peter Berger wrote:

>On March 23, 2003 at 04:17:22, Frank Phillips wrote:
>
>>On March 23, 2003 at 02:38:31, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On March 22, 2003 at 23:15:19, Lyn Harper wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 22, 2003 at 13:17:48, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 22, 2003 at 13:16:46, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>><snipped>
>>>>>>The only reason to make them weaker relative to humans is simply to change the
>>>>>>rules of the game.
>>>>>
>>>>>Should be the only way to nake them...
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>I see that I made a mistake in my correction (make and not nake)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  But is'nt this just inventing ways to delay the inevitable? The programs are
>>>>just getting stronger while the humans are'nt. Accept it.
>>>
>>>If you change the rules humans will be relatively stronger and after the delay
>>>you can change the rules again.
>>>
>>>I think that humans also can learn to be stronger in normal chess thanks to
>>>computers.
>>>
>>>I agree that in every static game computers are going to win after enough time
>>>and this is exactly the reason to change the rules.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>So we have a game the rules of which are that humans must be able to
>>win....bizarre.
>>
>>
>>Frank
>
>Why is that bizarre? It's just a little early now but some day some kind of
>rules will be needed to make man-machine matches interesting as the silicon will
>be too strong for equal competition.
>
>Obviously there are two ways this can be done:
>
>a.) limitting the computer power and ressources
>
>I like this approach most. Will there be a day when a program on a current
>Pocket PC or Palm can compete with human top players? That's a very long way to
>go still.
>
>b.) adapting the rules
>
>Maybe the easy and old approach of playing with uneven material is nicest here.
>That's a little similar to Go. How long until a program can win against top
>players with a knight less?

Never

I believe that even god is going to lose against the top humans
and even against 2600 GM's with a knight odd.

Uri



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