Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:48:44 03/24/03
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On March 24, 2003 at 12:57:00, Peter Berger wrote:
>On March 24, 2003 at 10:58:22, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On March 24, 2003 at 08:37:20, Peter Berger wrote:
>>
>>>On March 24, 2003 at 05:19:23, Alexander Kure wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dear Jorge,
>>>>
>>>>>I let Fritz 8 played it out under Shoot at only 10 Minutes per side and this was
>>>>>the result DRAW!
>>>>>
>>>>>1... Bxh4 2. gxh4 g3 3. c5+ Kc6 {[%eval -59,18] [%emt 0:00:30]} 4. Kb4 {
>>>>>(Nf3) [%eval -72,18] [%emt 0:00:40]} Kd5 {[%eval -75,17] [%emt 0:00:12]} 5. Nf3
>>>>>{[%eval -59,18] [%emt 0:00:42]} g2 {[%eval -78,17] [%emt 0:00:24]} 6. c6 {
>>>>>(Ng1) [%eval -97,17] [%emt 0:00:35]} Kxc6 {[%eval -97,16] [%emt 0:00:23]} 7.
>>>>>Nxe5+ {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:25]} Kd6 {[%eval -28,18] [%emt 0:00:11]} 8. Nf3
>>>>>{[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:22]} Ke6 {(Kd5) [%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:29]} 9. Nxd4+
>>>>>{[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:22]} Ke5 {[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:16]} 10. Ne2 {
>>>>>[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:22]} {Fritz 8:} a6 11. Kc5 a5 12. d4+ Ke4 13. d5 Kf3
>>>>>14. Ng1+ Kf2 15. Nh3+ Kg3 16. Ng1 Kf2 {[%eval 0,22]} 1/2-1/2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1...Bxh4 2. gxh4 g3 3. c5 is an intersting try.
>>>>Your test game shows that Fritz has a problem winning this position. It is not a
>>>>proof that this position is a draw ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Checkout this this line:
>>>>
>>>>3. c5 Kc6 4. Kb4 g2 5. Nf3 Kc7! and white is in a kind of zugzwang position,
>>>>e.g. 6. Kc4 a5 7. Kb3 Kb7! is winning for black.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I don't think so.
>>>
>>>8. Ng1 Kc6 9. Kc4 a4 10. Kb4 e4 11. Kxa4 exd3 12. Kb3 Kxc5 13. Kb2 draw.
>>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>Peter
>>
>>1..bxh4!! 2.gxh4,g3 3.c5 is a good try but not helping much IMHO.
>>
>>I just tried a few moves:
>>
>>3.. kc6 4.kb4,a5! 5. and so on. black up +4.1
>
>It seems your program is buggy in this position.
I think that the concept of using a program to confirm win/lose/draw in such
positions is actually pretty funny, overall. :)
This is _not_ the computer's strong point.
>
>White plays 5. Kc4 and it is a draw again.
>
>A sample line:
>
>5. Kc4 g2 6. Nf3 Kc7 7. Kb3 Kb7 8. Ng1 Kc6
>
>Maybe you can show a line that you believe wins for black?
>
>A zugzwang would only work if white had no knightmoves.
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