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Subject: Re: What Was Deep Thought's ICC Rating??

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:16:13 03/25/03

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On March 25, 2003 at 09:45:15, Chris Carson wrote:

>On March 25, 2003 at 09:24:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On March 25, 2003 at 00:45:03, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>From the book "how computer play chess" page 192
>>>
>>>Table10.1 Correlation between search depth and chess rating.
>>>
>>>Depth of search 8  year 1980 program  Belle Rating 2200
>>>Depth of search 9  year 1986 program Hitech Rating 2400
>>>Depth of search 10 year 1989 program Deep Thought  2600
>>>
>>
>>
>>That's a pretty sensless comparison.  IE would you compare 9 plies from
>>"the king" to 10 plies from "fritz"?  I wouldn't.  And the comparison is
>>nonsense.  Hitech was no faster than Belle.  It searched about the same
>>speed.  Deep Thought was the first (of the three above) that was a quantum
>>jump in speed.  And with a different search.  Also the years (above) are
>>wrong.  Belle hit 2200 in 1983.  Ken was given the "life master" certificate
>>from the USCF at the 1983 WCCC event in New York.  Hitech didn't hit 2400
>>in 1986 either.  And it was a couple of years before Deep Thought hit 2650+
>>as well.
>>
>
>In my opinion, speed and depth are only meaningful when comparing one program
>against itself on different boxes (slower vs faster hw) to get an aproximation
>of ELO increase for the program on different boxes (but NPS or Depth between
>programs is not meaningful).  Comparing speed and depth between programs is
>useless, whether for comercials or CT/DT/DB.  Comparing results (comp vs comp,
>Human vs comp) is meaningful.
>
>Actual ELO and Ranking of GM's that played (ie, ELO of opponents) is the only
>method to compare strength of programs (over the board play).  Also conditions
>of the match/tournament are important.  GM's that have months to prepare for a
>program (comercial programs) will score better than GM's that can not play the
>machine (CT/DT/DB).
>
>Uri does very good analysis for the qulity of play (also important, shows
>program strength and weakness).


Except his analysis was for the _wrong_ machine. 1978 belle was _not_ the same
as 1980 belle.  1978 speed = 5K nodes per second, 1980 speed was 160K+ nodes
per second.  Two totally different machines/players.



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