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Subject: Re: RAM , Hash tbl. and processor speed

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 14:18:54 03/28/03

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On March 27, 2003 at 20:06:03, Aaron Gordon wrote:

>from 1GHz as you said in your previous post. Now, for memory speed you may only
>get 2-10% doubling memory speed with large hash tables (256mb+). With sub-32mb
>hash tables you will see next to nothing, though.

Interesting. Maybe I thought that memory speed didn't affect chess programs
because memory speed changes very gradually. I mean, it's unlikely that you'd be
comparing a machine with 133MHz memory to one with 66MHz memory... if doubling
the speed gives you a 2-10% increase, then a typical increase like 100 -> 133MHz
would give you 0-3%...

>>It's not clear to me that the "fullness" of a hash table is a significant
>>metric. It's the usefulness of the entries in the table that counts. Do you get
>>better scores (or faster times to solutions) on test suites with really big hash
>>tables?
>I haven't done any test suite testing, just numerous games on FICS. With smaller
>hash tables it seems the engine just looses it's "oomph" after the hashtable is
>full. I see a LOT more draws when I use a hashtable 128mb or lower vs 256 and
>more. I mainly use Deep Fritz 7 and Fritz 8, so you may see some different
>results with other engines. Generally from what I've seen though when using a
>fast CPU with tons of hash the engine just seems to pack more of a punch.

Not to demean your observations, but this seems like the archetypical situation
for selective observation... There are a lot of posters here who will say that
program X is much stronger than program Y because of some games they watched,
but when a long match is done, X draws or loses to Y...

-Tom



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