Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:13:53 04/01/03
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On April 01, 2003 at 16:01:16, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On April 01, 2003 at 13:46:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >> I don't mind if someone wants to discuss the war and give reasons >>why >>they think it is wrong. I think it is wrong in some ways myself, but the >>overall >>concept is that this is very likely a necessary bad thing to do. >> >>however, discussing the war is one thing, but sending an email with no content >>except for "hate" is another. The _only_ text in the email Bruce/I/Others >>received >>was exactly what Bruce gave (I posted the full email a week or two back myself, >>but without the jpeg photo). > >i know that bruce and you and others are very tolerant and that is >exactly what todays world-situation IMO needs. people who are OPEN >and have the courage to STAND discussions with diametral point of views. > >it's a strength to discuss heated without forgetting afterwards that >the other side is a friend. > > Yes. Bu t notice _you_ are discussing something. Not just saying "here is an American I like" and attaching a photo of a dead soldier. That's the part I took issue with. And apparently Bruce as well. And a few others will to I suspect. > > >>It is hard to justify the email as a "protest" because there were no words of >>protest included. Just "a dead american is a good american" sort of >>implication. > >very sad. >to excuse this behaviour i can only imagine that the sender >was very deeply emotionally hurt by the images he saw about the war. > >you must try to understand this. news in europe is not filtered. >we get the full program here. >not censored. We get the same thing here. Not sure what kind of rumor mill you have over there about our news, but it is _definitely_ "unfiltered." > >so the horrible scenes of war that come to us today hit us 100%. >And many europeans still have good memories about the war in special >because most of their families had to suffer. > >so i can understand that someone is emotionally hurt, very tough. >In fact, - as you maybe read the last weeks - many of us (me included) >have posted many tough stuff in CTF. > >Not (IMO) because we hate you or any other american personally. >only because we cannot stand seeing all those images daily, >and not becoming hurt. > >it depends if you allow emotions to reach you. >or not. > >on the other hand - understanding that somebody can be upset - >i don't see how YOU (as american chessprogrammers) should be in any >way in charge for what is happening now. > >So i would (although i have nothing to do with this computerchess association) >like you to overthink this again and travel to graz, and try to solve the >misunderstanding. > >i hope that this war will not split the people. > >better beat each other on a chess board, like vincent said. >fight on the chessboard, and be friends in real life. >even in difficult times. > > > >>At the very best spin you can put on it, it was tasteless. It was _not_ >>"thought >>provoking" as the sender later claimed. > > >so he apologized. tasteless, maybe in an emotional situation. > > >> It was exactly what one might have >>expected in the 1940's, except replace "american" by "jew" and there you go. > >jew/communist/indian > >use whatever word. its a racistic sentence. >and we should not use such a stuff. That was my point. It _was_ both racist _and_ tasteless at the same time. > >better fight racism than create new one.
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