Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 13:49:31 04/01/03
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On April 01, 2003 at 16:14:20, Peter Fendrich wrote: >On April 01, 2003 at 14:39:09, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On April 01, 2003 at 14:08:13, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>It is sad that there are some that take any suffering of others as an event to >>>be celebrated, that aside however. I can't believe that this is the reason, "Why >>>I am not going to the Graz WCCC". I can see it causing upset but to cause you to >>>not go to this event could be what the sender's intent was. >>> >>>You say the sender who is associated with Graz as "presumably a host", without >>>finding out for sure whether he has any ties to the event why state that's the >>>reason not to go?. >> >>I don't know what to call him. He is involved with the event, but he is not the >>organizer. The organizer is the ICGA. The ICGA says that he is connected with >>the event, but they were vague about his precise involvement. >> >>>You also state "I have little or no complaint about how the ICGA has handled >>>this.".....Then what was the purpose of contacting them?. >> >>I wanted to find out if this person was an ICCA officer or programmer >>representative. He is neither. >> >>My quarrel is not with the ICGA, but I am not going to go, because one of the >>people working on putting the event together felt compelled to send me this >>stuff, and presumably will be present at the event. >> >>bruce > > >If ICGA have any kind of help from this person and he admits or there is proof >that he send these emails, ICGA should immediately cut of that person from this >and all future ICGA events. >If they don't do that, nobody should go at all, American or not. > >/Peter Now that's a very one sided view on the world Peter Fendrich. Let's be clear on how ICGA events work. For example suppose i like to have an event in Utrecht or Maastricht. Both are 'hometowns'. Then i go to a dude at university i know and ask him: "can we keep a big event here?" Then after 2 years of talks, they might say 'yes perhaps'. Then you ship Levy another email: "this organisation is interested". Then Levy ships them what they need (money, location, facilities like internet is very important). Then i would need to organize a lot. But in fact that university organizes it. And also the ICGA is involved. In short i need to do incredible effort to get everyone at one line, but i would not be the organizer officially. The official organizer is the university and the ICGA is the organisation that is practically in charge about who wins what title and what rules get used and such and deliver tournament director(s). But the university has to deliver a lot. Money, facility, internet, people to do stuff and so on. So how can you call me in such a case 'organizer' ? On paper that's either the university or the icga! The other aspect where many guess wrong here is the huge communication that usually is there between chessprogrammers. Daily i get and ship loads of emails from and to chessprogram authors. CCC and RGCC is not the place where the interesting things get shared. That really is by email or by chat and nothing will soon get published ever online. So that sometimes also political emails get shipped, i can follow those logics. I'm guilty in that respect myself too. I shipped several my political concerns about high voltage power lines (150KV+ transporting 2000A) and living under them. In europe a lot of thoughts get written down and concerns and opinions about the war in Iraq. Of course, not having too active contributions to the war and so far no soldiers of your own country killed, it is much easier to discuss about it, than when you are a nation with hundreds of thousands of men servicing there. It is there where i guess the mistake has been made. It is a very stupid mistake, but even despite being myself a supporter of the anti-terrorism war, i clearly understand how both sides react as they react now. Yet the ICGA is not part of this. I hope you realize that the majority of members in the ICGA board is from UK and from the Netherlands. Both are supporters of the war. So blaming the ICGA in this case is not a very good idea.
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