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Subject: Re: Why I am not going to the Graz WCCC - Nonsense, you will go!

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 16:06:13 04/01/03

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On April 01, 2003 at 18:13:36, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On April 01, 2003 at 17:36:36, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>Bruce,
>>
>>I already addressed you in CTF but let me elaborate here also for the other
>>Americans.
>>
>>We have an illegal war by USA administration aggressors. Worldwide we see people
>>demonstrate against this US war. The US administration lets their army bomb
>>civilian targets, lets them murder civilians passing by peacefully.
>>You have no allowance by the UN, no nothing. What the USA is doing here is a
>>nationalist war to get access to the oil in IRAQ. Further the USA wants to
>>control IRAQ for the next decade. So 200 000 USA soldiers are ruling the
>>country. Your US president is a religious crusader since he is in the delusion
>>of doing all the war murder for GOD!
>
>We have someone sending me pictures of dead American troops, telling me that
>they are "good" Americans, and expressing satisfaction that these Americans have
>attained this state.  We also have another email showing an image of someone who
>is being tortured now, if past performance is any guide.

First of all let me tell you that we in Germany had also a problem. We preferred
to live for the last 50 years with the wrong myth of the German soldier who
would NOT/ NEVER take part in war crimes. All who had done that were members of
special forces etc pp.

Truth is that also German soldiers committed war crimes in USSR. NB that Germany
was the aggressor and had invaded USSR. Ukraine was designed to be the wheat
chamber for Germany and so the people there were no longer in need of their
intelligence. So we started to extinguish the whole elites. And so on.

Now what you simply are forgetting that no matter how many states like Poland
you bought, this war is illegal and an aggressive invasion and already with many
atrocities right from the beginning of that war. These bombings of market places
etc.

Let me speak to you as if I were your father and my sole interest is that my son
Bruce should become a really smart analyst! I never had a son so please let me
do that. Also you left me breathless with your extremely strange emotional
message which is wrong in its basics IMO. It's late here so I must keep it
short.








>
>I am an American.  If someone sends me this kind of material in email, I take it
>the hardest possible way.


Please hear my son, this is already a weakness or an automatism I don't like to
see in my son. Of course you are a good patriot but you are not an automat. If a
propagandist, no matter on what side, sends you a message of such content then
you should always analyse this as a whole propaganda action. Also it is NOT
aiming at you personally.





>  I have a responsibility to the people in the pictures
>to do this.  Those people are in the armed service of my nation.  Two of them
>died for me, and one is in a dire situation.



Bruce, my son, you show a big confusion. Let me help you to find back your mind.
Your administration, the socalled Bush Junta, went for a nationalist war who was
begun against the will of the UN. Also the goal of killing civilians
is illegal and inhuman, in short, a war crime.

Although you will remain a true patriot, you have a mind to think about the
overall justice of the whole situation of that war. And only because someone who
is like me against that war, with many Americans too, and he sends you such
photos, you are in need to support the whole war as well??? Not in my books, my
son! You are smart enough to seperate the questions. And note my son, social
life means that you often have opposite positions. Of course we all are in dire
situations. Chessplayers call it "zwick". No matter what you do you can only be
wrong in certain aspects. Bruce you are now an adult and this is exactly what
you will have to bear for the rest of your life. Every problem has such
diverging aspects that could steal your sleep. But you have no right to chicken
out of the zwick. You must find a decision.



>
>I feel the same regardless of the justness of the war.  I don't give a damn
>about the justness of the war, ** in this context **.


No my son, this is NOT possible. You are no longer a kid, you can't chicken out
without making a decision. I know for sure that you are smart enough to
understand the illegal act of that war and therefore you can well understand
such acid peace propaganda against war. But at the same time you can remain a
good patriot. Either spend some money for the veterans or pray to God that he
sends a solution.



>
>There is essentially no other image that could have provoked this reaction.  A
>burning flag, I am in Graz.  Any amount of argument against the war, I am in
>Graz.  Personal insults, I am in Graz.  But this kind of stuff, there is no way
>that I am anywhere near Graz.
>
>A lesson of Vietnam is that ** you do not spit on an American enlisted man **.


What are you talking about? Because of the photos you would spit on the deads if
you went to Graz???? Give me break, my son. You are in real trouble!



>To those who would suggest that I try to understand the position of others
>involved in this, you need to understand *my* position on this.


You are all the right to take positions, Bruce. But these photos should motivate
you to talk with critical war oposition in Europe. NB FERRET is not involved he
will play as good as ever. Only you do some extra hours. But think about your
importance in the whole CC scenery. You are the American hope for many people if
they think about the future of CC organisations. Do not slip out of the
responsibility you somply bear as a smart American. Good night and sleep well, I
must go to bed right now.

Rolf, your virtual
Father in CC


>
>bruce



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