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Subject: Re: There are no Muslim democracies

Author: Aaron Tay

Date: 08:38:29 04/02/03

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On April 02, 2003 at 07:01:56, David Dory wrote:

>On April 02, 2003 at 05:50:04, Aaron Tay wrote:
>
>>On April 02, 2003 at 00:17:29, David Dory wrote:
>>
>>>On April 01, 2003 at 20:29:19, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 01, 2003 at 19:55:32, David Dory wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>An obvious conflict of freedoms: not one Muslim country is a democracy. Not one.
>>>>
>>>>Turkey, Indonesia, and Pakistan.  That's all I can think of now, but it would
>>>>not surprise me if there were more.
>>>>
>>>>But this kind of stuff is more appropriate for CTF, I think.
>>>>
>>>>bruce
>>>
>>>This exact question was asked this week to the government spokesman from Saudi
>>>Arabia.
>>>
>>>The spokesman agreed, there was NOT ONE Muslim country that was a democracy.
>>>Not a single one.
>>>
>>>Turkey is a secular country, IIRC, and Pakistan is a military dictatorship (he's
>>>**promised** to have elections, though :) ).
>>>
>>>You may think of Indonesia (which has a huge Muslim population), as the
>>>exception, but I defer to the Muslim spokesman from Saudi Arabia. He made it
>>>very clear.
>>
>>I submit respectfully the "muslim spokesman" is wrong.
>>
>>Malaysia is a democracy for one. So is Indonesia.
>>
>>Aaron
>
>These are both secular countries with lots of muslim citizens. They are not
>muslim countries, only following muslim law(s).

It's seem to me then that your reasoning is circular. By your definition muslim
countries must be non-democratic. Any "muslim countries" with secular countries
are not "muslim countries".


BTW Malaysia does not follow muslim law (non-muslims have freedom to worship and
"muslim law" does not apply to them) altough in theory UMNO (the ruling party)
could lose the elections to PAS and they could make it so that muslim laws
applied to all. Would they be democractic then?

Aaron











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