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Subject: Re: What is the Evil? Postcards of Dead Soldiers or THE KILLING itself?

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 07:47:29 04/03/03

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On April 03, 2003 at 08:28:35, José Carlos wrote:

>On April 03, 2003 at 07:51:44, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>
>>On April 03, 2003 at 07:34:00, enrico carrisco wrote:
>>
>>>On April 03, 2003 at 06:54:10, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 03, 2003 at 05:09:35, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 02, 2003 at 12:51:09, margolies,marc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Rolf it is neither the postcards or the killing that is particularly insulting.
>>>>>>What is most insulting is  the CELEBRATION of Atroccities against Americans.
>>>>>>While we can all have different political views of this war or anything else, it
>>>>>>is reasonable to examine the hospitality of our potential hosts when they are
>>>>>>not appalled by barbarity exercised towards us.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1  Without profile or other evidence you are simply not trustworthy to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>2  "Killing is not particularly insulting" - I tend to disagree.
>>>>>
>>>>>3  "CELEBRATION of Atroccities against Americans" - Your invention? Where? Who?
>>>>>
>>>>>4  "While we can all have different political views of this war or anything
>>>>>else" - If you were serious you would also apply this view which isn't mine,
>>>>>it's yours, to the author of the emails. But you are not capable of - therefore
>>>>>I say that it is so important to know if we talk among educated people or not.
>>>>>Most critics of Dr. Donninger have no idea what they are talking about. But they
>>>>>seem to know exactly what Donninger had in mind. Good morning Exorcism of the
>>>>>time 400 years ago!
>>>>>
>>>>>Someone who is pro massacres of the Iraqi people, in short this war, should not
>>>>>be whining about acid cynisms with the pictures of dead soldiers of the country
>>>>>who's President ordered all this killing and massacres. Period.
>>>>>
>>>>>The killer is the Bush USA troops but Dr. Donninger is the _reporter_ of that
>>>>>mass killing of the Bush USA, he's NOT the killer himself. Period.
>>>>
>>>>Good point, Rolf
>>>>Uli
>>>
>>>I am not surprised to see the twist and skew that Mr. Tueschen has applied here
>>>-- this is a longstanding trademark of his.  Originator of conflict, personal
>>>attacks and drama 100%, useful computer chess contributions 0%.  What is
>>>surprising, however, is to see your supporting comments.
>>>
>>>What kind of "_reporter_" sends these types of emails?  What are they reporting?
>>> Perhaps nothing but their own ignorance, animosity and inhability to deal with
>>>their own feelings.
>>>
>>>Sending emails of this sort to Mr. Moreland and other Americans is completely
>>>misdirected (not to mention disgusting and unprofessional.)  Did Mr. Moreland
>>>make the decision to go to war?  Did Dr. Donninger even know Mr. Moreland's
>>>personal viewpoint concerning the war?  This same style of thinking would
>>>propose that both you and Mr. Tueschen should be considered second generation
>>>Nazis.  After all, you are from Germany.
>>
>>I have not said, that I think sending these emails had been a good idea. Neither
>>do I think so. My comment of agreement referred purely to the text posted by
>>Rolf.
>>Having read it again, I can't find any personal attack in his post.
>>
>>It's just an attempt of weighing sending a nasty email with what' s happening in
>>Iraq.
>
>  Sad news to me to see you so confused.
>  I had a different view of you.
>  No offense intended, I deeply respect you.
>
>  José C.


Normal reaction if you see yourself a member of some party. But I did NOT - and
thankfully another academic like Uli saw this - took sides or attacked but I put
the two sides against each other. Of course Dr. Donninger hurts the here
concerned Americans, perhaps he even hurts all the friends of America. But that
is not the point. The real content of these private, I repeat PERSONAL, emails
is an outcry - disguised in art - against the massacres committed by the Bush
USA Army... This is a legal, fair and decent position. _Your_ position and the
one of many others would not even allow tolerance for such a decent position.
And that is the reason why I give my lessons here for free. I fight for
democracy, more, for humanity. Well, a Spain has some experience of the opposite
of all that.

It's so sad that many here, although very smart, do not tolerate the opinions -
privately sent - of a dear collegue. That is really frightening. Also I tend to
see it as mostly unwanted to publish private emails in public. Interesting that
Bruce showed up with it. Until now I always saw him as the defender of democracy
and style even if the content was heavy dosis of whatever...

Let's come back to human standards as soon as possible. But note : not Dr
onninger started this race! His art is just the diagnosis and possible remedy.

Rolf





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>>>
>>>Disappointing.
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>>>-elc.



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