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Subject: Re: Why I am not going to the Graz WCCC

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 17:30:37 04/03/03

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On April 03, 2003 at 20:07:04, Detlef Pordzik wrote:

>On April 03, 2003 at 08:58:28, Marcus Kaestner wrote:
>
>>hi uli!
>>
>>>
>>>Nun schlagt doch nicht alle gleich den Chrilly tot, nur weil er ein paar Emails
>>>geschrieben hat, um eine Diskussion zu provozieren.
>>>Zugegeben, ich halte die Idee ja auch nicht für ganz glücklich und die Mails für
>>>taktlos.
>>
>>i think you are right.
>>generally i have the same feelings as you.
>>even the mails are bad, you must not kill chrilly.
>>nobody here must kill chrilly because nobody is personally involved.
>>
>>and we must not forget that this war is forced by the american government.
>>and ALL the soldiers are knowing the risks when they make a contract with the
>>army. NOBODY in america is forced to become a soldier. it´s his own decision.
>>
>>but when i imagine that one of the dead ones on the picture would be my son or
>>my brother, it would be such an offense to me that i would force the sender to
>>pay back with his own blood.
>>
>>so any medal has two sides (as usual).
>>
>>marcus
>
>We, too - just met this kinda "medal" lately.......
>
>the insisted hidden personality turns lots of folks to mutate into beasts, real
>keyboard killers, sneakin' assasins  -
>
>it's a lack of personal integrity, education and basically : behaviour - no
>doubts.
>We've just started to pay back, for what we all shouted out loud for......this
>Totem pole or name it however you wish - www.
>
>An instrument, easy to missuse ( as just given proof ) mirroring some sort of
>freedom - that never had and never will - exist that way.
>
>Shiny new world, my word !
>
>Phrases - over the edge - we all know 'em :
>
>Every German remains a Nazi
>Every new born German Generation will remain guilty
>The Jew is the all time splittin' mushroom of the world
>Only a dead red indian is a good red indian
>All guys just want the same - one thing exeptionally
>When nitetime comes around, all cats just turn to gray -
>
>ah, yeah -
>and whatever sort of bullshit more.
>
>BUT :
>
>there ( above ) certainly - is a natural barrier of respect.
>( At least for those, who are able to generate this feelin'at all )
>
>as soon at is comes to a missuse - by whatsoever means :
>
>of naming someone in combination with a respectless manner, showin' pics -
>
>all this crap is simply disrespecting
>
>the state of art : a person, who has left to up above -
>
>to me - anybody, everybody - who acts in such a manner, has left all
>stable and w/w accepted grounds of ethics and moral.
>
>An indesgustable., breathtakin' show - and I don't give a damn 'bout the nation,
>these people former were citizens of - it's the circumstance itself,
>that counts for me.
>
>Even I know Chrilly and basically like him and his attitudes -
>I see not chance to nivellate, disguise - whatever you want.
>
>He's a super intelligent fellow
>he had the guts to show up with this evil
>I expect him back in the ring - with the same guts :
>
>to say : I'm sorry........


Won't happen. Just take a look at some postcards of the German political artist
Klaus Staeck. Even if you disagree, you can't deny that this is a form of
political propaganda. That is allowed. As a form of free speech. Of course there
is a way of misunderstanding when you concentrate on the dead corpses. But if
you reflect a bit the background of such a war, then you see what Chrilly had in
mind. He says: "Oops, dead soldiers. There must be a war. In Iraq, yes. I,
Chrilly are against the massacring. So I will add a nasty wording to these
photos. Only...." (etc)

Of course for those he see no evil in this war this propaganda is evil. But
people like Chrilly, Uli and Rolf see a justification for propaganda against
that war. I think that the investigators around Blix could have continued their
work. So that would hgave meant no casualties on both sides. Also no dead US
soldiers. No postcards, no propaganda by Chrilly.

But I fear that you wanted to keep this message to your friend, not wanting too
much debates...

I would be happy if you could explain what is worse to you, such political
postcards or the dead people of the Iraq war. What is the evil: the war or these
postcards?

Just tell some academics what you think. Tell Chrilly, Uli and Rolf why Chrilly
should apologize. Thanks.



>
>
>Best
>
>EL



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