Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 17:39:52 04/03/03
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On April 03, 2003 at 18:57:00, Keith Evans wrote: >On April 03, 2003 at 18:20:24, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On April 03, 2003 at 18:02:09, Keith Evans wrote: >> >>>On April 03, 2003 at 17:09:25, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>> >>>>On April 03, 2003 at 11:45:05, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 03, 2003 at 05:58:58, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 02, 2003 at 10:59:37, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 02, 2003 at 09:04:53, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You should really learn that CCC is not the forum to debate about the Iraq war. >>>>>>>>The topic here was the peace propaganda Bruce and other Americans have got. >>>>>>>>Understood? Now that might be boring for you but that gives you no right to >>>>>>>>attack me now for a change. You are anonymously here. I never read anything >>>>>>>>about CC from you. Go to CTF and try to male your case there and then we'll see >>>>>>>>if you can stand the heat. Here such posts are OFF TOPIC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Rolf Tueschen >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Peace propaganda? Excuse me? >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes, I know that you are smart. But you are not yet experienced enough. As I >>>>>>said in a different message there's a whole art in EUROPE >>>>>>with such political propaganda if you want. Either you change a picture by >>>>>>adding a telling feature or you add a sub line with a well known saying. And the >>>>>>two together then make the dynamite for thinking. >>>>>> >>>>>>This has nothing, nothing, nothing, to do with a personal attack against you, >>>>>>Americans or any kind of real persons. It is a form of provokation. Andy Warhol >>>>>>BTW used it as an American in his art. >>>>>> >>>>>>All what you could do is talking about good art or bad art. But you can't start >>>>>>to forbid thoughts or art! >>>>>> >>>>>>Know what I mean? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I tell you something and also to all the supporters of your position and also to >>>>>>Bob: >>>>>> >>>>>>You all will be very sorry soon when you realise that Chrilly a good collegue of >>>>>>yours took you all for a ride. But I fear he couldn't expect the reaction of >>>>>>unexperienced experts. Art! Art! Art! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Or is art forbidden if it's against war? >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes, that would please certaqin Americans who also hid Picasso's masterpiece >>>>>>Guernica!!!! That is the democracy we all dreamed of! >>>>>> >>>>>>Chrilly's little postcards are to be seen in that tradition, Bruce & all. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Sigh. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Rolf >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>bruce >>>>> >>>>>Here's some art for you: >>>>> >>>>>Fuck you. >>>> >>>>This is a personal insult and not art. You are confusing the two. Sorry for >>>>making you upset. But your reaction was wrong when you semi-published a personal >>>>email and discussed the content with all kind of people. I hadn't expected that >>>>from you. You had really style in the past. >>>> >>>>But I won't provoke you further because I read that you are even responsible for >>>>these dead American soldiers... >>>> >>>>May you find back your peace of mind, Bruce. >>>> >>>>Best, >>>>Rolf >>> >>>You are being disingenuous. You are not sorry. You said you would not cause >>>further provocation, and then you do just that. >>> >>>Here are a couple of "artistic" exercises which you should perform, and then >>>report back. >>> >>>Go to Thailand. Get a picture of the King. Go to a crowded area. Put said >>>picture on the ground. Stomp on it with your feet, and then light it on fire. >>> >>>If that goes well then I'm sure that you could come up with some other exercises >>>which you could perform in a mosque somewhere in the holy land. >>> >>>If you come back alive, then we'll all apologize and agree that Chrilly is a >>>great artist. If you don't come back alive then we'll agree that such acts are >>>indeed immensely insulting and should not be done. And yes I include what >>>Chrilly did in this latter category. >>> >>>Good Luck, >>>Keith >> >> >>You invent a fine scenario but you missed the main point. Dr. Donninger didn't >>go into public with his action. He sent pivate emails. It was Bruce who brought >>it into public. This however is a mean action. Beyond that this war itself is >>illegal and inhuman. > >The were unsolicited emails. Bruce is under no obligation to keep them private. >It's strange that you want to blame the victim here. There is no implied >contract of privacy. In fact Bruce is doing a public service by keeping people >informed about these insulting acts. Some people may decide against buying >products like Brutus in the future now that they know about this. > >And why is it not OK to insult Americans publically, but it's OK to do it via >email? The fact is that he took the time to target this specifically at >Americans. > >America is at the very least a land, a government, and a people. If you want to >take issue with our government then do that. This time you argue way better. But please tell me why Bruce is a victim. The dead soldiers are victims, more so the Iraqi civilians. BTW killed by USA troops Bruce is supporting. Why couldn't it be sensible to attack Bruce for this support? With the killed civilians in mind. I hope you see that Bruce is a supporter. So why dealing with your administration? This is left to your people. Dr. Donninger dealt with a friend of the programmer group. "Fine" reaction to go into public with it from Bruce's side. Sure. USA begins an illegal war against the declared will of the UN. But Bruce and you too complains about these private emails. That is hilarious. If it were not so sad. Let's see if you can further improve your arguments.
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