Author: Keith Evans
Date: 18:44:35 04/03/03
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On April 03, 2003 at 20:39:52, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On April 03, 2003 at 18:57:00, Keith Evans wrote: > >>On April 03, 2003 at 18:20:24, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On April 03, 2003 at 18:02:09, Keith Evans wrote: >>> >>>>On April 03, 2003 at 17:09:25, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 03, 2003 at 11:45:05, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 03, 2003 at 05:58:58, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 02, 2003 at 10:59:37, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 02, 2003 at 09:04:53, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You should really learn that CCC is not the forum to debate about the Iraq war. >>>>>>>>>The topic here was the peace propaganda Bruce and other Americans have got. >>>>>>>>>Understood? Now that might be boring for you but that gives you no right to >>>>>>>>>attack me now for a change. You are anonymously here. I never read anything >>>>>>>>>about CC from you. Go to CTF and try to male your case there and then we'll see >>>>>>>>>if you can stand the heat. Here such posts are OFF TOPIC. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Rolf Tueschen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Peace propaganda? Excuse me? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yes, I know that you are smart. But you are not yet experienced enough. As I >>>>>>>said in a different message there's a whole art in EUROPE >>>>>>>with such political propaganda if you want. Either you change a picture by >>>>>>>adding a telling feature or you add a sub line with a well known saying. And the >>>>>>>two together then make the dynamite for thinking. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This has nothing, nothing, nothing, to do with a personal attack against you, >>>>>>>Americans or any kind of real persons. It is a form of provokation. Andy Warhol >>>>>>>BTW used it as an American in his art. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>All what you could do is talking about good art or bad art. But you can't start >>>>>>>to forbid thoughts or art! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Know what I mean? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I tell you something and also to all the supporters of your position and also to >>>>>>>Bob: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You all will be very sorry soon when you realise that Chrilly a good collegue of >>>>>>>yours took you all for a ride. But I fear he couldn't expect the reaction of >>>>>>>unexperienced experts. Art! Art! Art! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Or is art forbidden if it's against war? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yes, that would please certaqin Americans who also hid Picasso's masterpiece >>>>>>>Guernica!!!! That is the democracy we all dreamed of! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Chrilly's little postcards are to be seen in that tradition, Bruce & all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sigh. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Rolf >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>> >>>>>>Here's some art for you: >>>>>> >>>>>>Fuck you. >>>>> >>>>>This is a personal insult and not art. You are confusing the two. Sorry for >>>>>making you upset. But your reaction was wrong when you semi-published a personal >>>>>email and discussed the content with all kind of people. I hadn't expected that >>>>>from you. You had really style in the past. >>>>> >>>>>But I won't provoke you further because I read that you are even responsible for >>>>>these dead American soldiers... >>>>> >>>>>May you find back your peace of mind, Bruce. >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>>Rolf >>>> >>>>You are being disingenuous. You are not sorry. You said you would not cause >>>>further provocation, and then you do just that. >>>> >>>>Here are a couple of "artistic" exercises which you should perform, and then >>>>report back. >>>> >>>>Go to Thailand. Get a picture of the King. Go to a crowded area. Put said >>>>picture on the ground. Stomp on it with your feet, and then light it on fire. >>>> >>>>If that goes well then I'm sure that you could come up with some other exercises >>>>which you could perform in a mosque somewhere in the holy land. >>>> >>>>If you come back alive, then we'll all apologize and agree that Chrilly is a >>>>great artist. If you don't come back alive then we'll agree that such acts are >>>>indeed immensely insulting and should not be done. And yes I include what >>>>Chrilly did in this latter category. >>>> >>>>Good Luck, >>>>Keith >>> >>> >>>You invent a fine scenario but you missed the main point. Dr. Donninger didn't >>>go into public with his action. He sent pivate emails. It was Bruce who brought >>>it into public. This however is a mean action. Beyond that this war itself is >>>illegal and inhuman. >> >>The were unsolicited emails. Bruce is under no obligation to keep them private. >>It's strange that you want to blame the victim here. There is no implied >>contract of privacy. In fact Bruce is doing a public service by keeping people >>informed about these insulting acts. Some people may decide against buying >>products like Brutus in the future now that they know about this. >> >>And why is it not OK to insult Americans publically, but it's OK to do it via >>email? The fact is that he took the time to target this specifically at >>Americans. >> >>America is at the very least a land, a government, and a people. If you want to >>take issue with our government then do that. > > >This time you argue way better. But please tell me why Bruce is a victim. The >dead soldiers are victims, more so the Iraqi civilians. BTW killed by USA troops >Bruce is supporting. Why couldn't it be sensible to attack Bruce for this >support? With the killed civilians in mind. I hope you see that Bruce is a >supporter. So why dealing with your administration? This is left to your people. >Dr. Donninger dealt with a friend of the programmer group. "Fine" reaction to go >into public with it from Bruce's side. Sure. USA begins an illegal war against >the declared will of the UN. But Bruce and you too complains about these private >emails. That is hilarious. If it were not so sad. > >Let's see if you can further improve your arguments. Bruce basically received a veiled death threat. (English isn't your native language, so you may not have realized this.) As a result he's not going to travel to Graz. Explain how this helped the Iraqi citizens.
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