Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 14:08:00 04/04/03
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On April 04, 2003 at 11:03:51, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On April 04, 2003 at 08:07:15, Marc van Hal wrote: > >>On April 04, 2003 at 05:14:14, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On April 03, 2003 at 18:55:08, Marc van Hal wrote: >>> >>>>On April 03, 2003 at 16:58:35, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 03, 2003 at 15:36:54, Marc van Hal wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 02, 2003 at 07:59:46, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 02, 2003 at 07:06:26, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>That's not the point here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The point is that Donninger as a formerly person of honour and as a initiator of >>>>>>>>the Graz WCCC sends these mails to Bruce and Bob, which is an affront. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I see what you mean but you underestimate your collegue IMO. I already >>>>>>>addrressed this argument in another message. Let me repeat the key for the >>>>>>>solution. BECAUSE Chrilly sent the emails and DID NEVER post it here, says to me >>>>>>>at least that he wanted a personal contact or debate for the question. He >>>>>>>expected a personal response from a friend, not a public sort of de-masking, >>>>>>>what actually was happening here with Bob's message a week ago and now Bruce's >>>>>>>decision. I for one NEVER met Chrilly in person, but I would in special >>>>>>>recommand you, because the article is in German, to read Chrilly's Nachruf on >>>>>>>Jan Louwman. And Louwman was famous for his intriguing impoliteness. At least >>>>>>>Chrilly gave a sound explanation (Jan's Jewish catastrophy due to the Holocaust >>>>>>>where he had lost almost all his family) and added also his own partly "cynical" >>>>>>>comments EVEN in the obituary, which shows exactly his indivudualism. I think >>>>>>>there in that article you can find the necessary data for a better understanding >>>>>>>of your collegue. He's extremely intelligent and that leads to extremely >>>>>>>strange actions at times. He's also in a field where traditionally it is >>>>>>>selfunderstood to make all kind of such jokes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In short - I see a very personal outcry for contact but I see no personal insult >>>>>>>against the two collegues. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hoffentlich bald wieder an "Board" Wünsche, >>>>>>>Rolf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Gerd >>>>>> >>>>>>When Chrylly would have liked to provoke his American collegues >>>>>>He first should have asked himself the questions >>>>>>Where do I want to provoke them to? >>>>>>What can they do? >>>>>>What kind of effects will these pictures give to my American collegues? >>>>>>And do these pictures answer to the point I wanted them to provoke to? >>>>>>What are the standing points of these American collegues acording the war in >>>>>>Iraq? >>>>>>If I was an American how would I feel about it? >>>>>> >>>>>>Like Bruce said Chrilly had every uportunty to soften his standing point. >>>>>>So for now his email remains a sick joke made by a madman. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Funny to read such lines about an academic. And also terrible in case that he is >>>>>right. But here in CCC insults are cheap and also the claim of suffering under >>>>>fantasised insults. In the meantime people die in Iraq. Civilians! By the hand >>>>>of USA soldiers. But this is not a problem for some here. But Dr. Donninger had >>>>>a problem with it! And I support his artistic presentation. It's one way of >>>>>protest. Surely he will now soften his action. Surely NOT!! >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>>Rolf >>>>> >>>> >>>>>Never ever let yourself lead by titles. >>>>Maybe he has the brains, now he has to learn how to use them corectly. >>>>In a beter organized form rather then to 1 subject. >>>>Like I wrote before he should look deeper at the end result. >>>>Which he didn't >>>> >>>>Also If he doesn't defend himself he agrees with all fantasies made here. >>>>It is for him to defend himself not me not you or anybody else. >>>>Because then it only remains speculating. >>> >>> >>>You still miss the most important. >>> >>>HE didn't go into public and distributed his postcards or wrote a message here. >>> >>>That was Bruce's "action". >>> >>>Why he should "defend"? >>> >>>Others propose he should apologize. >>> >>>What a pompous nonsense. >>> >>>If I ever wrote private email I expected a little bit more style by the >>>addressee... >>> >>> >>>Best, >>>Rolf >>> >>> >>>Then he should not have admited it in this forum >>In the first place. > >This is childish. He was man enough to admit. Where is the problem. Bruce had a >problem not CHRILLY.But Bruce didn't do what he should have done. Bruce went >into hystery mode. Whining. Actually the typical mode of Americans who fear for >their lives. Strange when they give a damn shit about the lives of Iraqis. But >of course Americans are higher valued. > > > >>But send an other email to the involved persons about his intentions. > > >This is childish. An artist does not send messages about his intentions. You are >completely wrong. But I take your age as excuse. > Childish is provoking or calling names without any good reason So far not any good reason is given by Chrylly. But if you like to think it's art go ahead. But I think that! is childish. And a typical phenomen of what is wrong in this time square. It is also childish to try to make me unpolite While your the on who is unpolite here. > But my posting on this subject stops here. Because I already said it before it should be Chrylly at nobody else who should try to defend himself. If he doesn't he remains the mad man with the sick email. It is only for the people in this forum to decided what they do with it. Marc > > > >>And this is something he didn't do either. >>As far as I know of. >>When it is only was about bad placed mesages have a look on www.whitehouse.org >>And get a ride. > > > > > >Bad placed by Bruce you mean? Or by Chrilly? That is childish because he had >written private email. Known place. > > > >It's so hilarious to read such thoughts that have no sense. I can't express it >different. Sorry. But I am surely the nasty one again. > > > >> >>Marc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>It is for him to defend this point or not. >>>>>>We can only guess on his intentions. >>>>>>Did he simply want to hear what his collegues had say about the conflict? >>>>>>Is he afraid to meet some of his oponents? >>>>>>Or is his search depth not deep enough? >>>>>>etc. etc >>>>>> >>>>>>But in a worsed senario case he could be proviking all of you. >>>>>>Many of you do go to Grazz don't you? >>>>>>That's why he mentioned I will drink a beer with all of you in Grazz. >>>>>>No mather how much you hate him for what he did. >>>>>>Makes him the Bush of the computerchessworld. >>>>>>And you are his soldiers. >>>>>>And in that sence Rolf is on to something. >>>>>> >>>>>>Though I think this is to much credit. >>>>>>And weird. >>>>>> >>>>>>And in the meantime not looking deep enough at the end result. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Marc
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