Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 10:12:31 04/05/03
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On April 05, 2003 at 11:33:01, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>On April 05, 2003 at 11:00:50, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On April 05, 2003 at 10:53:38, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On April 05, 2003 at 10:30:03, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 05, 2003 at 09:41:33, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>This position taken from a game considered by Alekhine to be one of his best two
>>>>>games ever played.
>>>>>
>>>>>Baden-Baden Tournament, May 1925.
>>>>>
>>>>>White: R. Reti Black Alekhine:
>>>>>
>>>>>In this position Alekhine wrote " It seems almost incredible that this
>>>>>spectacular move not only stops White's attack but even brings him serious
>>>>>trouble". The only reason why Reti got into trouble was because he chose 27.
>>>>>Kt-B3?! Instead of the better move chosen by Fritz 8 27. bxc6! this is what
>>>>>Alekhine wrote " It is obvious enough that the Rook can't be taken because of
>>>>>27....QxP+. followed by 28.....KtxP and wins.
>>>>>
>>>>>The move found by Alekhine 26....R-K6! is a great challenge for most top
>>>>>programs, since I have NOT found any programs that will select this move.
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]r3r1k1/1pq2pp1/2p2n2/1PNn4/2QN2b1/6P1/3RPP2/2R3KB b - - 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>This is what Fritz 8 plays after:
>>>
>>>
>>>1... Re6 2. bxc6 Re5 {[%emt 0:03:03]} 3. cxb7 {[%emt 0:01:40]} Rb8 {
>>>[%emt 0:02:53]} 4. Ndb3 {[%emt 0:02:04]} Rxb7 {[%emt 0:04:25]} 5. Bxd5 {
>>>[%emt 0:00:51]} Rb6 {(Rb8) [%emt 0:02:59]} 6. Bg2 {[%emt 0:02:29]} Re8 {
>>>[%emt 0:04:54]} 7. Nd4 {(e4) [%emt 0:02:59]} Qe5 {[%emt 0:04:05]} 8. Qa4 {
>>>[%emt 0:04:10]} Qb8 {(Qh5) [%emt 0:04:07]} 9. Nc6 {[%emt 0:02:51]} Rb1 {
>>>[%emt 0:03:22]} 10. Nxb8 {[%emt 0:02:11]} Rxc1+ {[%emt 0:00:29]} 11. Rd1 {
>>>[%emt 0:02:36]} Rxc5 {[%emt 0:01:02]} 12. Na6 {[%emt 0:02:11]} Rc3 {
>>>[%emt 0:01:53]} 13. f3 {[%emt 0:02:25]} Be6 {[%emt 0:01:47]} 14. Qa5 {
>>>[%emt 0:02:55]} *
>>>
>>>And here is the Position after 14 more moves, White is obviously winning:
>>>
>>>[d}4r1k1/5pp1/N3bn2/Q7/8/2r2PP1/4P1B1/3R2K1 b - - 0 14
>>>
>>>
>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>>>Here is the other brillian game considered by Alekhine to be his best two games
>>>>>ever played.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.geocities.com/lifemasteraj/bogo-alek1.html
>>>>
>>>>Hi Jorge
>>>>You have not tested enough programs with enough time. There are several engines
>>>>to find the nice ... Re3 move. Junior7 and Gambit Tiger 2 belong to those
>>>>programs which only need some seconds. The solving time of other engines can be
>>>>found at http://www.computerschach.de/test/index.htm
>>>>
>>>>r3r1k1/1pq2pp1/2p2n2/1PNn4/2QN2b1/6P1/3RPP2/2R3KB b - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Analysis by Junior 7:
>>>>
>>>>1...cxb5 2.Nxb5 Qa5 3.Rxd5
>>>> ± (0.84) Depth: 3 00:00:00
>>>>1...Ne3 2.Qd3 Ned5
>>>> ³ (-0.38) Depth: 6 00:00:00 10kN
>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00 191kN
>>>>1...Bh3 2.bxc6 bxc6 3.Nxc6 Qxc6 4.Rxd5 Nxd5 5.Bxd5 Qf6 6.Ne4 Qf5 7.Bxa8 Rxa8
>>>> = (-0.20) Depth: 9 00:00:00 233kN
>>>> = (0.20) Depth: 12 00:00:02 2107kN
>>>>1...Re3 2.Bf3 Bxf3 3.exf3 Rea3 4.Re2 Ra1 5.Ree1 Rxc1 6.Qxc1
>>>> = (0.09) Depth: 12 00:00:10 10268kN
>>>> = (-0.15) Depth: 14 00:00:32 32309kN
>>>>
>>>>(Utzinger, MyTown 05.04.2003)
>>>>
>>>>Reti - Aljechin
>>>>r3r1k1/1pq2pp1/2p2n2/1PNn4/2QN2b1/6P1/3RPP2/2R3KB b - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Analysis by Gambit Tiger 2.0:
>>>>
>>>>1...Ra3 2.Rd3 Rxd3 3.Nxd3 Nb6 4.Qc2 Qd6 5.e3 cxb5 6.Nxb5 Qe7
>>>> ² (0.28) Depth: 7 00:00:00 135kN
>>>> ² (0.34) Depth: 9 00:00:04 1381kN
>>>>1...Re3 2.Bf3 Bxf3 3.exf3 Rea3 4.bxc6 bxc6 5.Rb2 Nb6 6.Qe2 Re8 7.Qf1 Re5
>>>> = (0.14) Depth: 9 00:00:07 2270kN
>>>> = (-0.06) Depth: 12 00:00:36 11847kN
>>>>
>>>>(Utzinger, MyTown 05.04.2003)
>>>
>>>
>>>What kind of Analysis did you run: Infinite Analysis, Full Analysis, or Deep
>>>Position Analysis ?
>>>
>>>Pichard
>>
>> Hi Jorge
>> I used "Infinite Analysis" [Alt F2] on P4 1.8/32 MB hash
>> Kurt
>
>
>Sorry I was using the wrong Analysis:New game
>
>
>
>Analysis by Fritz 8:
>
>1...Re3 2.Bg2 Bh3 3.bxc6 bxc6 4.Bf3 Rea3 5.Ncb3 R8a4 6.Qxc6 Qxc6
>
> ² (0.66) Depth: 13/36 00:09:05 313454kN
>
>(Pichard, MyTown 05.04.2003)
2.Bg2?! Rxg3! and black has some chances after the forced 3.e3.
3...Qe5 for example.
2.Bf3 and 2.Kh2 are better moves.
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