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Subject: Re: Here's some Shock for all of You: It's Art!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:01:41 04/05/03

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On April 05, 2003 at 04:14:07, Amir Ban wrote:

>On April 04, 2003 at 22:26:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 04, 2003 at 16:58:31, Amir Ban wrote:
>>
>>>On April 04, 2003 at 13:36:23, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Correct.  Also, I did not reproduce the emails in whole, instead I quoted from
>>>>them.  I had some interest in preserving the author's copyright.  If hairs are
>>>>split, it may be found that I was a little loose with this, but on the other
>>>>hand, the email to me also contained copyrighted material (the "art").
>>>>
>>>
>>>You are crazy if you are going to be defensive about this. I don't know where
>>>the posters of this newsgroup got the queer notion that publishing an email or
>>>letter you received is not legal, or a breach of copyright. It's not. A letter
>>>you received is your property to do whatever you want with it.
>>
>>This is actually wrong.  The author of the email actually holds the copyright
>>as the originally wrote it.  IE if I write a paper and send you a draft to
>>review you can _not_ publish it yourself.  This has been tested in usenet
>>newsgroups on more than one case.
>>
>
>Copyright and generally IP rights are about using or taking credit for something
>created by another. There's no such issue here. You can send me a nobel prize
>winning paper and if I post it here and say "Bob wrote me this" it's prefectly
>ok. You can ask me to keep it secret, but you'd better clear this with me before
>sending, because I don't have to agree.

As I said, this is wrong.  When I write something _I_ and only _I_ hold the
copyright to that something.  And if you publish it, without my permission,
you are in violation of international copyright law.

I've had to sit thru multiple presentations about this over the years, as it
is a critical point in internet procedures.  The main point of copyright law
is the _author_ holds the copyright and doesn't give it up unless he does so
in writing.  IE just because I send you something does not give you permission
to publish it, even crediting me, unless I specifically give you permission to
do so.

This has gotten many people into great trouble over the years.  (not me
fortunately).
>
>Publishing private latters can be embarassing and a breach of confidence between
>friends, but that's not illegal, and there is no confidence here to start with.
>
>Amir

Publishing details of private matters is probably ok if it doesn't run into
slander/libel issues.  But publishing exact text is another matter.




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