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Subject: Re: Here's some Shock for all of You: It's Art!

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 04:09:23 04/06/03

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On April 05, 2003 at 09:09:36, Peter Skinner wrote:

>>And you can't be a natural Canadian because your English sucks. I never said
>>that the pictures alone were art. I can't help you if you are too bad in either
>>reading or thinking.
>>
>>I said that pictures in combination with the sub-lines added, that this is
>>potentially[because I never saw the originals, but I saw the pictures seperately
>>from the text of the added lines] in this case here political art, propaganda.
>>Period.
>
>Rolf,
>
>Just the implication that the pictures that were posted by the Iraqi news
>agencies broke the Geneva Convention would de-classify as them as any
>political-art, or even propaganda.
>
>I have looked up some information for you, as you seem to fail to see how these
>pictures were not only very wrong, but certainly disgusting:
>
>"Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War
>Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of
>International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva
>from 21 April to 12 August, 1949
>entry into force 21 October 1950
>
>In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the
>territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict
>shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:
>
>1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed
>forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by
>sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be
>treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour,
>religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
>
>To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and
>in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
>
>(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation,
>cruel treatment and torture;
>
>(b) Taking of hostages;
>
>(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading
>treatment;"
>
>Please note the last one. Even in death, humiliating and degrading treatment
>applies. You can not post pictures of the dead to the public as a show of
>victory. It shows a lack of respect to the family of the victims, and to the
>country that they came from. Also a lack of respect for the dead individual as
>well.
>
>"Article 13
>
>Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or
>omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the
>health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded
>as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war
>may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments
>of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment
>of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest.
>
>Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against
>acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity."
>
>Again, posting the pictures even to satisfy public out curiosity is against the
>convention.
>
>Do you understand why the convention was created? Do you understand why it is so
>important?
>
>If you can not understand this, then it is I that can not help you.
>
>If you want to further read so that you can possibly understand the serious
>issues with those pictures, please look here:
>
>http://193.194.138.190/html/menu3/b/91.htm

Peter,
thanks for the material. I'll read it as soon as possible. This is all very well
put and surely I am in consent with you, but what is still the main problem that
is existent inspite of all the claim of Geneva and human dignity (from people
who support this unholy war!), that is this WAR with its Bush USA massacres of
innocent people on Iraqi market places. I see many good people here supporting
this shit. And at the same time they are hypocrit enough to condemn Chrilly
Donninger for short outcry.

NB

I, Rolf, did NEVER support atrocities of whatever source or intent. I say that
because one must defend against all kind of stupid accusations, open or hidden
ones.

That is BTW the main reason why certain people don't like me. They know that I
am able to create an atmoshere where seemingly normal people show their fascist
face behind their daily mask. I correct in thruth it was Chrilly who was
successful with exactly this mechanism.  Actually I understand Bruce that he
won't go to Graz. He simply doesn't want to represent the ugly face of religious
war massacres murderers abroad wen he knows that he basically supported it in
his public messages. Against this public scandal Chrilly put his PRIVATE emailed
political art propaganda. Of course the hypocrits stood up and attacked him for
being rude etc. pp.

This is all so trivial, this is so childish that I wished all people would
rethink their positions. Graz could be a chance for us all.

Gens una sumus.

Best,
Rolf



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