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Subject: Re: Why I am not going to the Graz WCCC

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 05:08:20 04/06/03

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On April 06, 2003 at 03:29:13, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On April 04, 2003 at 23:03:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On April 04, 2003 at 21:12:41, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>
>>>While the first email sent to you alone is bad enough, sending you a second,
>>>even more objectionable email after you expressed your displeasure with
>>>receiving the first shows very poor judgement on the part of the sender.
>>>
>>>You could consider doing the following things:
>>
>>without saying i agree or disagree. let's look objective from lawyer viewpoints:
>>
>>a) typical dumb american reaction let me go into details
>>
>>>1. Check if in your jurisdiction, there is something that limits freedom of
>>>expression ("speech" in the USA) where the primary purpose of such expression is
>>>to espouse hatred.
>>
>>lawyer costs in USA, but in the end they will tell you they do not know because
>>to sue such persons you need to sue someone in his own hometown.
>
>I didn't suggest suing anybody.  I suggested inquiring as to whether the actions
>of his sender constitute a crime in Washington State (where Bruce lives).
>
>>>2. If so, file a formal complaint with your local police.
>>
>>austrian police will laugh at you for something like that and judge you as the
>>typical american, confirming their ideas about them.
>
>His local police are not Austrian, they are American.  They may tell him he's
>out of luck, no crime was committed, but they definitely will not laugh about
>the situation.
>
>>>3. Check if in the sender's jurisdiction, there is something similar.
>>
>>yeah you can start a courtcase in the town where the person lives.
>>his village is like 200 people so you probably need to go to the nearest
>>'canton'.
>>
>>Then the next question is what court you try to sue someone.
>>
>>That means in the meantime you already pay triple lawyer costs, because
>>in europe (and i assume in austria it isn't much diff from netherlands here):
>>  a) under european law in general courtcases without paying lawyers is
>>forbidden
>>  b) you need a laywer to start a courtcase
>>
>>Then after $5000 lawyer costs you will find out that actually in europe winning
>>a courtcase is very difficult. Basically you can win a courtcase if the sued
>>person doesn't defend himself. Amazingly enough many do not do that indeed. They
>>do not show up.
>>
>>But this person would show up with a lawyer.
>
>Again, I never suggested suing anybody.  Your discussion of a private lawsuit is
>completely irrelevant.  It is a police officer's decision as to whether to file
>charges, and a prosecutor's decision whether to proceed with them to trial or
>not.
>
>>>4. If so, file a formal complaint with his local police.
>>
>>You repeat yourself here. That's already adresses above. They will laugh in
>>austria for that.
>
>Quite possibly.  I've never been there, I wouldn't know.
>
>>>5. File a formal complaint with the sender's employer.  (Even in a university,
>>>there are practical limits to an academic's freedom of expression.)
>>
>>Chessbase will say they have nothing to do with this and they better do so as
>>they got some economical interests:
>
>1) They may make it clear that they do not support the sender's comments.
>2) They may choose to privately ask the sender to not send such emails in the
>future.
>
>>>6. I hope you are able to at least receive a formal apology with a commitment
>>>that such an act will not be performed by the sender again.  Of course, you
>>>could try to press for considerably more than that, depending on how badly
>>>you've been offended.
>>
>>I bet in germany they are cheering that one program which possibly could win
>>from Brutus is out of the competition now.
>
>Brutus didn't finish first in the last tournament.

As usual the dumb chessplayer argument. They were experimenting and i know
exactly what as i have had DIEP versions play like that too. I fear Brutus more
for world champs than i'll ever fear Fritz for it.

>>Now you're back to reality i hope again.
>
>?
>
>Anyway, it's all irrelevant -- Bruce doesn't seem to be as annoyed as I
>initially thought he was.
>
>Dave



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