Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:08:20 04/06/03
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On April 06, 2003 at 03:29:13, Dave Gomboc wrote: >On April 04, 2003 at 23:03:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 04, 2003 at 21:12:41, Dave Gomboc wrote: >> >>>While the first email sent to you alone is bad enough, sending you a second, >>>even more objectionable email after you expressed your displeasure with >>>receiving the first shows very poor judgement on the part of the sender. >>> >>>You could consider doing the following things: >> >>without saying i agree or disagree. let's look objective from lawyer viewpoints: >> >>a) typical dumb american reaction let me go into details >> >>>1. Check if in your jurisdiction, there is something that limits freedom of >>>expression ("speech" in the USA) where the primary purpose of such expression is >>>to espouse hatred. >> >>lawyer costs in USA, but in the end they will tell you they do not know because >>to sue such persons you need to sue someone in his own hometown. > >I didn't suggest suing anybody. I suggested inquiring as to whether the actions >of his sender constitute a crime in Washington State (where Bruce lives). > >>>2. If so, file a formal complaint with your local police. >> >>austrian police will laugh at you for something like that and judge you as the >>typical american, confirming their ideas about them. > >His local police are not Austrian, they are American. They may tell him he's >out of luck, no crime was committed, but they definitely will not laugh about >the situation. > >>>3. Check if in the sender's jurisdiction, there is something similar. >> >>yeah you can start a courtcase in the town where the person lives. >>his village is like 200 people so you probably need to go to the nearest >>'canton'. >> >>Then the next question is what court you try to sue someone. >> >>That means in the meantime you already pay triple lawyer costs, because >>in europe (and i assume in austria it isn't much diff from netherlands here): >> a) under european law in general courtcases without paying lawyers is >>forbidden >> b) you need a laywer to start a courtcase >> >>Then after $5000 lawyer costs you will find out that actually in europe winning >>a courtcase is very difficult. Basically you can win a courtcase if the sued >>person doesn't defend himself. Amazingly enough many do not do that indeed. They >>do not show up. >> >>But this person would show up with a lawyer. > >Again, I never suggested suing anybody. Your discussion of a private lawsuit is >completely irrelevant. It is a police officer's decision as to whether to file >charges, and a prosecutor's decision whether to proceed with them to trial or >not. > >>>4. If so, file a formal complaint with his local police. >> >>You repeat yourself here. That's already adresses above. They will laugh in >>austria for that. > >Quite possibly. I've never been there, I wouldn't know. > >>>5. File a formal complaint with the sender's employer. (Even in a university, >>>there are practical limits to an academic's freedom of expression.) >> >>Chessbase will say they have nothing to do with this and they better do so as >>they got some economical interests: > >1) They may make it clear that they do not support the sender's comments. >2) They may choose to privately ask the sender to not send such emails in the >future. > >>>6. I hope you are able to at least receive a formal apology with a commitment >>>that such an act will not be performed by the sender again. Of course, you >>>could try to press for considerably more than that, depending on how badly >>>you've been offended. >> >>I bet in germany they are cheering that one program which possibly could win >>from Brutus is out of the competition now. > >Brutus didn't finish first in the last tournament. As usual the dumb chessplayer argument. They were experimenting and i know exactly what as i have had DIEP versions play like that too. I fear Brutus more for world champs than i'll ever fear Fritz for it. >>Now you're back to reality i hope again. > >? > >Anyway, it's all irrelevant -- Bruce doesn't seem to be as annoyed as I >initially thought he was. > >Dave
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