Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 14:22:00 04/07/03
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On April 07, 2003 at 17:08:50, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 07, 2003 at 15:57:27, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 07, 2003 at 10:15:22, Steve Maughan wrote: >> >>>Uri, >>> >>>I'll have a bash, >>> >>>>How much money (s)he can get from it in the following cases: >>>> >>>>1)The program is at similiar level to Crafty >>> >>>Not much. As a winboard engine (i.e. no GUI) then I'd expect you'd sell at most >>>50 copies. The price is not that important as long as it is less than $20 per >>>copy. Basically on 'collectors' would buy it. >>> >>>>2)The program is at similiar level to Ruffian >>> >>>This is probably the Gandalf 4 scenario. I'd expect you'd sell about 200 copies >>>(in total) as long as the price is $15 - $30 >>> >>>>3)The program is at similiar level to Fritz8 >>> >>>You will not have the brand equity of Fritz but I expect you'd sell about 500 to >>>1000 copies depending upon marketing. I doubt the price point can be any more >>>than $25 - $35 >> >>but how are you going to pay for those 10 hours you need for each person that >>buys your 'winboard' engine if it is without interface of its own? >> >>that's 10000 hours of helpdesk. no one can give helpdesk of 10k hours for just >>$30k a year. >> >>>>4)The program is 100 elo better than Fritz8 >> >>>You'd need good marketing but I think you could sell 3000 copies at this >>>strength - I recon you could also get $50 a copy. Of course if it was really >>>this strong your best bet would be to get someone like ChessBase to sell it. >>>Then I think you could sell 8000 copies at $45 i.e. quite serious money. >> >>isn't ruffian 100 points better than fritz8 when using same openingsbook? >> >>Please turn off learning in fritz (after each game delete book simply) and let >>it play at random. do same thing with ruffian. take care they use same PGN book. > >No need for pgn >You can play the nunn match under Fritz and use different positions than the >nunn positions. > >The difference between Ruffian and Fritz8 will be smaller than the difference in >the ssdf but I will be surprised if Ruffian discovered to be 100 elo better. > >I guess that Ruffian will be something like 50 elo weaker that means losing >450-350. > >Maybe somebody can do it because I do not have the time to do a fair match at >long time control between Ruffian and Fritz8.0.0.8 and I know your opinion about >blitz. > >opening positions can be chosen as all the possible 400 openings of 2 plies. >I hope that you do not claim that I chose these positions to help Fritz. > >If you do not like these positions I agree to different positions like random >800 positions from the games that programs got after 20 plies in the am/com >in WBEC. >> >>See who wins. my money on ruffian. >> >>ruffian is free engine. >> >>so that basically answers uri's question. >> >>A solution without interface never sells of course. > >The author of Ruffian never tried to sell it. No. I did do some serious matches ruffian versus others and it is not your -50 points but +100 points, so you have no right to guess here wildly. You can check it out if you do some serious games. So not the silly 40/40 levels that Leo plays at his P3 hardware (still at p3 hardware btw?), but like 3 minutes a move K7 versus K7 like i have here. After a few games you will understand it soon like i did. >Uri Best regards, Vincent
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