Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:50:35 04/07/03
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On April 07, 2003 at 17:22:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On April 07, 2003 at 17:08:50, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 07, 2003 at 15:57:27, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On April 07, 2003 at 10:15:22, Steve Maughan wrote: >>> >>>>Uri, >>>> >>>>I'll have a bash, >>>> >>>>>How much money (s)he can get from it in the following cases: >>>>> >>>>>1)The program is at similiar level to Crafty >>>> >>>>Not much. As a winboard engine (i.e. no GUI) then I'd expect you'd sell at most >>>>50 copies. The price is not that important as long as it is less than $20 per >>>>copy. Basically on 'collectors' would buy it. >>>> >>>>>2)The program is at similiar level to Ruffian >>>> >>>>This is probably the Gandalf 4 scenario. I'd expect you'd sell about 200 copies >>>>(in total) as long as the price is $15 - $30 >>>> >>>>>3)The program is at similiar level to Fritz8 >>>> >>>>You will not have the brand equity of Fritz but I expect you'd sell about 500 to >>>>1000 copies depending upon marketing. I doubt the price point can be any more >>>>than $25 - $35 >>> >>>but how are you going to pay for those 10 hours you need for each person that >>>buys your 'winboard' engine if it is without interface of its own? >>> >>>that's 10000 hours of helpdesk. no one can give helpdesk of 10k hours for just >>>$30k a year. >>> >>>>>4)The program is 100 elo better than Fritz8 >>> >>>>You'd need good marketing but I think you could sell 3000 copies at this >>>>strength - I recon you could also get $50 a copy. Of course if it was really >>>>this strong your best bet would be to get someone like ChessBase to sell it. >>>>Then I think you could sell 8000 copies at $45 i.e. quite serious money. >>> >>>isn't ruffian 100 points better than fritz8 when using same openingsbook? >>> >>>Please turn off learning in fritz (after each game delete book simply) and let >>>it play at random. do same thing with ruffian. take care they use same PGN book. >> >>No need for pgn >>You can play the nunn match under Fritz and use different positions than the >>nunn positions. >> >>The difference between Ruffian and Fritz8 will be smaller than the difference in >>the ssdf but I will be surprised if Ruffian discovered to be 100 elo better. >> >>I guess that Ruffian will be something like 50 elo weaker that means losing >>450-350. >> >>Maybe somebody can do it because I do not have the time to do a fair match at >>long time control between Ruffian and Fritz8.0.0.8 and I know your opinion about >>blitz. >> >>opening positions can be chosen as all the possible 400 openings of 2 plies. >>I hope that you do not claim that I chose these positions to help Fritz. >> >>If you do not like these positions I agree to different positions like random >>800 positions from the games that programs got after 20 plies in the am/com >>in WBEC. >>> >>>See who wins. my money on ruffian. >>> >>>ruffian is free engine. >>> >>>so that basically answers uri's question. >>> >>>A solution without interface never sells of course. >> >>The author of Ruffian never tried to sell it. > >No. > >I did do some serious matches ruffian versus others and it is not your -50 >points but +100 points, so you have no right to guess here wildly. I read that the author of Ruffian claimed that he believes that Ruffian does not earn more from time relative to other programs. I tend to believe more the author of Ruffian and not you. You already said in the past a lot of things that were proved to be wrong. The last thing that I remember is about a drawn position when Diep evaluated it as a win for black and yace on a slow hardware was right. Uri
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