Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 21:56:18 04/07/03
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On April 08, 2003 at 00:12:37, Dann Corbit wrote: >On April 07, 2003 at 16:10:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>On April 07, 2003 at 11:44:34, Steve Maughan wrote: >>>Uri, >>> >>>>Maybe you mean 50$ per copy but I asked about the total profit. >>> >>>The problem is that few people have access to the sales figures of the top >>>programs so it's difficult to answer a question about revenue. And again the >>>sales level will change quite dramatically depending upon the level of >>>advertising / promotion. It's much easier to answer a question like, "would you >>>buy a program for $10 that is the same strength as Crafty?" >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Steve >> >>I don't even *want* to answer it here though a lot is known in the small world. >>Basically if Uri would have been less of an idiot, he could have figured it out >>already. I posted some numbers half a year ago or so and that will be forever >>best indication he ever will get of course. >> >>Now he asks the same question and i'm sure that from all persons i would be the >>only one to *ever* post anything realistic here, though some here who won't >>answer to this thread can guess and will get to the same numbers. >> >>Chris Carson is the last of course to believe here. Complete idiot. If you lower >>price you do not sell more. usually you sell less as "that program gotta suck >>then". > >If everything else is equal, then lowering the price should sell more. Only an american can come up with such a stupid argument, though in america it is "winner takes it all anyway". People kick on winners. If you go for 50 dollar and are a winner, then they buy you even if the number 2 which is 1 rating point less, is $20. If it's $10 it doesn't get taken serious. Or do you take the old chessmasters dumped at warehouses for $10 serious? What does latest chessmaster sell for? Right like 40 dollar. Is that not a bit much for what it offers compared to for example ChessAcademy 7 which is shortly in the market place? Outdated engine in cm9k. not even parallel and so on. does it load uci engines? i don't know. you tell me. how about all the stupid windows? No wonder they can't sell it in europe. But if they sell it here. then for 40 euro of course. not for 20. then it gotta suck, understand? If not. then you hopeless case. Well you're not born as a salesman i guess. That's more into my family. bob probably too. he'll sell deep blue as well tested modern 0.09 micron hardware using the latest algorithms even to you :) What does deepfritz sell for? 100 euro or so! for the bugfix of it to work better on P4 and K7 ddr ram machines i guess, you pay another 68 euro only if you had paid that 100 euro or so already. those 168 euro just for a bit of lineair speedup which isn't too impressive either at 4 threads of a dual Xeon. Shredder outsearched it to the left and right at paderborn. At any random position in fact. that where fritz got like 2.2 mln nodes a second or so against me. (a lot less than the production deepfritz gets anyway at dual K7s around, also search depth seems less in tournaments or i simply give it too much time a position here). I get impression tournament version of fritz is different from what lies in the market place, based upon search depths seen. But i could be wrong. I only wrote that last sentence because of a courtcase i would get on my roof btw. Its search depth sucks at tournaments nowadays. So basically it is what the fool wants to pay for. You aren't going to sell more of the current chessmaster version when asking $35 instead of $39.95 Of course you ask $39.95. Come to europe and you'll understand. Sjeng is tactical way stronger than Fritz, latest 1.4 version i have here is destroying everything tactical (except ferret i guess, but only bruce can answer that). Fritz is tactical a joke compared to it and i thought fritz' speed was just to solve tactics quickly. To quote frans: "learn through speed". You get a cheapo 1.0 version which is dual right from the start. Buy shredder7. Directly get for free dual version. For fritz you pay 168 euro extra to get it dual. How about that? "deep fritz rules" i hear some say. Well deepfritz7 is like half a year older than fritz8. If some say df7 is better i bet it means that every new version of fritz hardly anything gets modified. All i could figure out is that df7 is a bit better in endgames than the previous versions. further it dislikes bishop pairs more. Even when they are good (as the tournament lines it plays it doesn't have them. so get it a position where bishop pair is good and it will lose amazingly). but why do so many people buy df7 then and not shredder7? do not ask me! Ask dan corbit or cris carson. they know it. they buy df7 and also the upgrade because it is CHEAPER than shredder7, isn't it? Welcome in europe. Only in India it is worse i heard because of all kind of protections... ...anyway that's on products like computers... ...so europe is great in fact... Uri lives in Israel. Not America. You can see Israel of course as Asia. You can see it however more as europe than USA is. >The free programs never 'sell' an infinite amount, even though some are quite >strong and the price is zero. >The problem is that everything else is never equal. > >The most important factors are: >1. Advertizing. Why did you buy a product? Most people are just going to >remember what they saw on TV, read in a magazine, or possibly read on the box. > >2. Shelf space. If it isn't in the stores, nobody is going to buy it. > >3. Ease of use. If the users can't figure out how to use it, it will get bad >word-of-mouth and/or thrown away when attempted. Must have easy installation. >Must have clear, concise manual with an index. Must have online support. > >4. Features. Can it stop a herd of stampeding Yak? The other product has that >feature with a check-mark! > >Everything else pales in comparison. > >>Perhaps Uri should first try to win the ICGA world champs (and not at 500 moves >>a minute as i would love to see movei play rebel there as rebel only starts >>counting time after ply 2 or so, so it will always think longer than movei >>there) and if he is there in that small world. Then he'll be able to chat enough >>during the rounds and he'll know more than he ever will find out here at the >>CCC. >> >>Best regards, >>Vincent
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