Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 22:14:15 04/07/03
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On April 08, 2003 at 01:12:06, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: add to it that why i don't understand why you need a screenshot from my outdated P3 dual box here. for screenshots ask Slate here. he's pretty good in toying with overclocked stuff here. Yes of course you hardly can overclock that dual Xeon machine, it's already near its limits as it's already consuming 105 watt ;) >what i don't understand is that i test at production machines >and speed is clearly in favour for the K7 in diep's case. > >frans morsch, creator of fritz, whom i regurarly email with finds the K7 also >hell of a processor. he's looking forward to the prescott though but that will >be 2004+. > >i'm looking forward to the itanic of AMD called Hammer but if they delay it >until 2004 it is not anymore a hammer but more like a slow pencil. > >if it's released tomorrow then that will kick butt of course. > >basically hardware speed for DUALS is very clear. > >K7 XP wins there. 2 times CHEAPER. and a bit faster too. > >secondly. > >with regard to quad and 8 processor boxes. We speak then about $100k machines. >starting at like $20k for the quads. > >there of course the 4 processor opteron will blow away everything. opteron gets >released within a few weeks. so if you want to make a bit of money. buy some AMD >stocks within a week (right after bagdad is under 'control') and sell them 2 >weeks after they revealed quad opteron boxes. > > > >On April 08, 2003 at 01:03:21, Charles Worthington wrote: > >>On April 08, 2003 at 00:59:57, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On April 08, 2003 at 00:55:43, Charles Worthington wrote: >>> >>>>On April 08, 2003 at 00:36:12, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 07, 2003 at 18:44:30, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 07, 2003 at 18:36:11, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Everyone already knows the Athlon is a numerical powerhouse and the Xeon was >>>>>>>designed to demux HDTV streams for my grandmother, so there is really no need to >>>>>>>'show you the speed'. If you just can't understand the obvious, you should >>>>>>>build yourself a *real* computer. Technology moves fast, and you are already >>>>>>>being left behind. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>anthony >>>>>> >>>>>>Perhaps, but that is still talk...I just want someone to come to the server and >>>>>>enlighten us all as to the error of our ways but it seems that no one is willing >>>>>>to come show us a real machine. Why could that be do you think? Could it be >>>>>>because you know you cannot post a faster speed? I can show you deep fritz 7 >>>>>>screenshots as high as 5777kN/s in endgames with 2500-2900kN/s averages in >>>>>>midgames. Lets both run a deepfritzmark and post the result here to compare. >>>>>>That is a relatively simple way to show me what a real machine can do. I think >>>>>>that is a reasonable request. I just want to see which machine I should be >>>>>>playing chess with... >>>>> >>>>>At world champs 2002 chessbase showed up with AMD hardware. Guess why. >>>>> >>>>>Other champs they take what the sponsor gives them. >>>>> >>>>>I want to bet that the prescott is not released end of 2003. means that they >>>>>will show up with dual AMD, because you can't clock the Xeon higher in 0.13 than >>>>>it is now (3.06Ghz is limit simply as it consumes 105 watt there). Period. >>>>> >>>>>So the K7 which still can get clocked higher still than it is now till it also >>>>>consumes around 100 watts, will get faster and faster till that time. It's >>>>>already faster now. >>>>> >>>>>It's a matter of what the sponsor gives simply! >>>> >>>>Actually Matthias Feist Used his own Dual 2.8 Xeon for fritz at the latest >>>>padderborn tournament. Call him on the phone and ask him why he did so....I did. >>>>He did not use a machine supplied by a sponsor. he used his own personal >>>>machine....and won the tournament. >>>> >>>>Charles >>> >>>Actually i played df7 there for like 6 hours. regrettably it came away with a >>>draw against DIEP (yet again). diep managed to conquer a pawn after quite a >>>while but to no avail. >>> >>>i asked him why he didn't run on a dual K7. >>> >>>answer: "sponsor gave this machine" >>> >>>i aske dhim whether he had tested whether 2 threads with SMT turned off were >>>giving bigger search depth than 4 threads with SMT turned on. He told me he >>>hadn't tested it at all. That's why he used 4 threads. >>> >>>That's why stefan who had tested it, played with SMT turned off and played dual >>>Xeon 2.8. >>> >>>if you have a sponsor like they have, you always go for the machine the sponsor >>>provide. the alternative is buying a dual K7, and that's quite a bit more >>>expensive than using that provided machine... >>> >>>I got home. quoted for first position out of book fritz had against me what >>>speed it there had and some people who sometimes post here too, had a much >>>faster fritz at their dual K7. >>> >>>Best regards, >>>Vincent >> >>A friend and i just took dual screenshots on the chessbase server she is in the >>process of posting them here....Look at those and please show me a faster nP/s >>screenshot from the dual k7.... >>Charles
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