Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 22:19:09 04/07/03
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On April 08, 2003 at 01:15:20, Charles Worthington wrote: >On April 08, 2003 at 01:12:06, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>what i don't understand is that i test at production machines >>and speed is clearly in favour for the K7 in diep's case. >> >>frans morsch, creator of fritz, whom i regurarly email with finds the K7 also >>hell of a processor. he's looking forward to the prescott though but that will >>be 2004+. >> >>i'm looking forward to the itanic of AMD called Hammer but if they delay it >>until 2004 it is not anymore a hammer but more like a slow pencil. >> >>if it's released tomorrow then that will kick butt of course. >> >>basically hardware speed for DUALS is very clear. >> >>K7 XP wins there. 2 times CHEAPER. and a bit faster too. >> >>secondly. >> >>with regard to quad and 8 processor boxes. We speak then about $100k machines. >>starting at like $20k for the quads. >> >>there of course the 4 processor opteron will blow away everything. opteron gets >>released within a few weeks. so if you want to make a bit of money. buy some AMD >>stocks within a week (right after bagdad is under 'control') and sell them 2 >>weeks after they revealed quad opteron boxes. >> >>The Quad opteron is on my "to buy" list so I will know soon enough what she will do :-) >Charles you have $10k left for a quad opteron box? i would be amazed if it is in that price range btw. a quad beating all high end servers by a big margin, including quad itaniums. note dual itanium2 1Ghz sells for $67k so a quad opteron is a real buy if it is just $10k. some expect $7k for a 8 processor opteron. But i want to put that away as dreamland. $10k for a 4 processor opteron already sounds very cheap to me. no competition on whole earth for it assuming 1.8Ghz opterons or above that. > > >> >>On April 08, 2003 at 01:03:21, Charles Worthington wrote: >> >>>On April 08, 2003 at 00:59:57, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On April 08, 2003 at 00:55:43, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 08, 2003 at 00:36:12, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 07, 2003 at 18:44:30, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 07, 2003 at 18:36:11, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Everyone already knows the Athlon is a numerical powerhouse and the Xeon was >>>>>>>>designed to demux HDTV streams for my grandmother, so there is really no need to >>>>>>>>'show you the speed'. If you just can't understand the obvious, you should >>>>>>>>build yourself a *real* computer. Technology moves fast, and you are already >>>>>>>>being left behind. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>anthony >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Perhaps, but that is still talk...I just want someone to come to the server and >>>>>>>enlighten us all as to the error of our ways but it seems that no one is willing >>>>>>>to come show us a real machine. Why could that be do you think? Could it be >>>>>>>because you know you cannot post a faster speed? I can show you deep fritz 7 >>>>>>>screenshots as high as 5777kN/s in endgames with 2500-2900kN/s averages in >>>>>>>midgames. Lets both run a deepfritzmark and post the result here to compare. >>>>>>>That is a relatively simple way to show me what a real machine can do. I think >>>>>>>that is a reasonable request. I just want to see which machine I should be >>>>>>>playing chess with... >>>>>> >>>>>>At world champs 2002 chessbase showed up with AMD hardware. Guess why. >>>>>> >>>>>>Other champs they take what the sponsor gives them. >>>>>> >>>>>>I want to bet that the prescott is not released end of 2003. means that they >>>>>>will show up with dual AMD, because you can't clock the Xeon higher in 0.13 than >>>>>>it is now (3.06Ghz is limit simply as it consumes 105 watt there). Period. >>>>>> >>>>>>So the K7 which still can get clocked higher still than it is now till it also >>>>>>consumes around 100 watts, will get faster and faster till that time. It's >>>>>>already faster now. >>>>>> >>>>>>It's a matter of what the sponsor gives simply! >>>>> >>>>>Actually Matthias Feist Used his own Dual 2.8 Xeon for fritz at the latest >>>>>padderborn tournament. Call him on the phone and ask him why he did so....I did. >>>>>He did not use a machine supplied by a sponsor. he used his own personal >>>>>machine....and won the tournament. >>>>> >>>>>Charles >>>> >>>>Actually i played df7 there for like 6 hours. regrettably it came away with a >>>>draw against DIEP (yet again). diep managed to conquer a pawn after quite a >>>>while but to no avail. >>>> >>>>i asked him why he didn't run on a dual K7. >>>> >>>>answer: "sponsor gave this machine" >>>> >>>>i aske dhim whether he had tested whether 2 threads with SMT turned off were >>>>giving bigger search depth than 4 threads with SMT turned on. He told me he >>>>hadn't tested it at all. That's why he used 4 threads. >>>> >>>>That's why stefan who had tested it, played with SMT turned off and played dual >>>>Xeon 2.8. >>>> >>>>if you have a sponsor like they have, you always go for the machine the sponsor >>>>provide. the alternative is buying a dual K7, and that's quite a bit more >>>>expensive than using that provided machine... >>>> >>>>I got home. quoted for first position out of book fritz had against me what >>>>speed it there had and some people who sometimes post here too, had a much >>>>faster fritz at their dual K7. >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>>Vincent >>> >>>A friend and i just took dual screenshots on the chessbase server she is in the >>>process of posting them here....Look at those and please show me a faster nP/s >>>screenshot from the dual k7.... >>>Charles
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