Author: Uri Blass
Date: 23:32:48 04/07/03
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On April 08, 2003 at 00:56:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On April 08, 2003 at 00:12:37, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On April 07, 2003 at 16:10:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>On April 07, 2003 at 11:44:34, Steve Maughan wrote: >>>>Uri, >>>> >>>>>Maybe you mean 50$ per copy but I asked about the total profit. >>>> >>>>The problem is that few people have access to the sales figures of the top >>>>programs so it's difficult to answer a question about revenue. And again the >>>>sales level will change quite dramatically depending upon the level of >>>>advertising / promotion. It's much easier to answer a question like, "would you >>>>buy a program for $10 that is the same strength as Crafty?" >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>Steve >>> >>>I don't even *want* to answer it here though a lot is known in the small world. >>>Basically if Uri would have been less of an idiot, he could have figured it out >>>already. I posted some numbers half a year ago or so and that will be forever >>>best indication he ever will get of course. >>> >>>Now he asks the same question and i'm sure that from all persons i would be the >>>only one to *ever* post anything realistic here, though some here who won't >>>answer to this thread can guess and will get to the same numbers. >>> >>>Chris Carson is the last of course to believe here. Complete idiot. If you lower >>>price you do not sell more. usually you sell less as "that program gotta suck >>>then". >> >>If everything else is equal, then lowering the price should sell more. > >Only an american can come up with such a stupid argument, though in america it >is "winner takes it all anyway". People kick on winners. If you go for 50 dollar >and are a winner, then they buy you even if the number 2 which is 1 rating point >less, is $20. If it's $10 it doesn't get taken serious. Or do you take the old >chessmasters dumped at warehouses for $10 serious? > >What does latest chessmaster sell for? Right like 40 dollar. Is that not a bit >much for what it offers compared to for example ChessAcademy 7 which is shortly >in the market place? > >Outdated engine in cm9k. Outdated? I did not buy it but it is one of the best. > not even parallel and so on. Not relevant because most customers do not have parallel machine. does it load uci engines? >i don't know. you tell me. how about all the stupid windows? No wonder they >can't sell it in europe. But if they sell it here. then for 40 euro of course. >not for 20. then it gotta suck, understand? > >If not. then you hopeless case. Well you're not born as a salesman i guess. >That's more into my family. bob probably too. he'll sell deep blue as well >tested modern 0.09 micron hardware using the latest algorithms even to you :) > >What does deepfritz sell for? 100 euro or so! > >for the bugfix of it to work better on P4 and K7 ddr ram machines i guess, you >pay another 68 euro only if you had paid that 100 euro or so already. > >those 168 euro just for a bit of lineair speedup which isn't too impressive >either at 4 threads of a dual Xeon. > >Shredder outsearched it to the left and right at paderborn. At any random >position in fact. you said in the past that evaluation and not search is the important thing at depth>12 I see that you contradict yourself. depth is also not eqvivalent so you cannot compare and the fact that shredder reports bigger depth is not a proof that it see more. > >that where fritz got like 2.2 mln nodes a second or so against me. (a lot less >than the production deepfritz gets anyway at dual K7s around, also search depth >seems less in tournaments or i simply give it too much time a position here). > >I get impression tournament version of fritz is different from what lies in the >market place, based upon search depths seen. But i could be wrong. I only wrote >that last sentence because of a courtcase i would get on my roof btw. > >Its search depth sucks at tournaments nowadays. The number that Fritz writes as it's search depth is not important. > >So basically it is what the fool wants to pay for. You aren't going to sell more >of the current chessmaster version when asking $35 instead of $39.95 > >Of course you ask $39.95. > >Come to europe and you'll understand. > >Sjeng is tactical way stronger than Fritz, latest 1.4 version i have here is >destroying everything tactical (except ferret i guess, but only bruce can answer >that). Fritz is tactical a joke compared to it and i thought fritz' speed was >just to solve tactics quickly. To quote frans: "learn through speed". Fritz has a good evaluation and search is also about searching positional lines and not only about tactics. There are a lot of positions when Fritz's evaluation is more correct than shredder. > >You get a cheapo 1.0 version which is dual right from the start. > >Buy shredder7. Directly get for free dual version. > >For fritz you pay 168 euro extra to get it dual. > >How about that? > >"deep fritz rules" i hear some say. Well deepfritz7 is like half a year older >than fritz8. If some say df7 is better i bet it means that every new version of >fritz hardly anything gets modified. > >All i could figure out is that df7 is a bit better in endgames than the previous >versions. further it dislikes bishop pairs more. Even when they are good (as the >tournament lines it plays it doesn't have them. so get it a position where >bishop pair is good and it will lose amazingly). > >but why do so many people buy df7 then and not shredder7? > >do not ask me! I bought both Fritz8 and Shredder7(not df7) Uri
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