Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:48:56 04/08/03
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On April 08, 2003 at 09:48:21, Chris Carson wrote: >On April 08, 2003 at 09:12:05, Jouni Uski wrote: > >>I included Carson's ratings to latest Fide with interesting result :-) >> >>1 DEEP BLUE 97.................... 2862 >>2 DEEP JUNIOR X................... 2847 >>3 Kasparov, Gary.................. 2830 >>4 DEEP FRITZ 8.................... 2807 >>5 Kramnik, Vladimir............... 2789 >>6 Anand, Viswanathan.............. 2764 >>7 Leko, Peter..................... 2746 >>8 Shirov, Alexei.................. 2735 >>9 Topalov, Veselin................ 2735 >>10 Bareev, Evgeny.................. 2734 >> >>Please no comments about different rating pools - all ratings are FIDE and >>from same pool! >> >>Jouni > >Nice observation and may generate some discussion. Enjoy the posts. :) > >Some observations: > >Arguments against the comp ratings. >1. The comps do not have enough games to establish a rating. >2. The comps listed only played against one opponent under match conditions. > >Arguments that favor the comps. >3. In tournament conditions (human v human and human v comp) the comps score > about 100 points higher since the human does not prepare just for the comp. >4. The comps in this list only played the top 2 GM's, against lower rated GM's > (match or tournament) the comp ratings would increase. That suggests that the Elo formula doesn't work. Can you explain why you feel that way??? IE if I can get a _higher_ rating by playing lower-rated opponents, than I can get by playing higher-rated opponents, the Elo system is basically flawed. I don't believe it is, myself. > >In my opinion, the above ratings for the comps reflect the performance to be >expected for match play when the Top Human GM has months to prepare and plan for >the comps (DF and DJ anyway, not DB). The true ratings for the comps would be >at least 100 to 200 points higher if they could play in FIDE tournaments. > >There will be a few FIDE FM's, IM's and GM's that will play well against the >comps, however, these games will be few and most FM's, IM's and GM's will get >clobbered by the comps in a tournament environment when the comps are on 2Ghz >and faster machines (fastest duals and singles procs with Rebel, Fritz, Junior, >Shredder, Hiarcs, Chess Tiger, Gandalf and ChessMaster) would take the top 8 >places in most GM tournaments. Perhaps Ruffian and others could be added to the >list. > >Just my take. :)
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