Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 09:16:08 04/08/03
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On April 08, 2003 at 11:32:10, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 08, 2003 at 11:02:15, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On April 08, 2003 at 09:48:21, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On April 08, 2003 at 09:12:05, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>I included Carson's ratings to latest Fide with interesting result :-) >>>> >>>>1 DEEP BLUE 97.................... 2862 >>>>2 DEEP JUNIOR X................... 2847 >>>>3 Kasparov, Gary.................. 2830 >>>>4 DEEP FRITZ 8.................... 2807 >>>>5 Kramnik, Vladimir............... 2789 >>>>6 Anand, Viswanathan.............. 2764 >>>>7 Leko, Peter..................... 2746 >>>>8 Shirov, Alexei.................. 2735 >>>>9 Topalov, Veselin................ 2735 >>>>10 Bareev, Evgeny.................. 2734 >>>> >>>>Please no comments about different rating pools - all ratings are FIDE and >>>>from same pool! >>>> >>>>Jouni >>> >>>Nice observation and may generate some discussion. Enjoy the posts. :) >>> >>>Some observations: >>> >>>Arguments against the comp ratings. >>>1. The comps do not have enough games to establish a rating. >>>2. The comps listed only played against one opponent under match conditions. >>> >>>Arguments that favor the comps. >>>3. In tournament conditions (human v human and human v comp) the comps score >>> about 100 points higher since the human does not prepare just for the comp. >>>4. The comps in this list only played the top 2 GM's, against lower rated GM's >>> (match or tournament) the comp ratings would increase. >>> >>>In my opinion, the above ratings for the comps reflect the performance to be >>>expected for match play when the Top Human GM has months to prepare and plan for >>>the comps (DF and DJ anyway, not DB). The true ratings for the comps would be >>>at least 100 to 200 points higher if they could play in FIDE tournaments. >>> >>>There will be a few FIDE FM's, IM's and GM's that will play well against the >>>comps, however, these games will be few and most FM's, IM's and GM's will get >>>clobbered by the comps in a tournament environment when the comps are on 2Ghz >>>and faster machines (fastest duals and singles procs with Rebel, Fritz, Junior, >>>Shredder, Hiarcs, Chess Tiger, Gandalf and ChessMaster) would take the top 8 >>>places in most GM tournaments. Perhaps Ruffian and others could be added to the >>>list. >>> >>>Just my take. :) >> >>Just your nonsense. >>They would not reach more than 50% in most Super-GM tournaments. >>It is easy to draw against ALL computers in tournament games. > > >How do you know? >Do you know all computers including programs that are still not commercial >programs like Junior8? Junior has no idea what to do if there is nothing to do. > >>Even for average GMs. >>The Humans would soon figure out how to do it. >>The tough and risky task is trying to beat them. > >If it is easy to draw against computers even for average GM's >then what prevent super GM's to do it? Bareev did it. The GK-DJ and Kramnik-Fritz matches were show matches. Kramnik and Kasparov could easily have won these matches with boring chess after they took the lead in the match. > >Kasparov was leading 1-0 against Junior8 and against DB97. >What prevented him to draw the rest of the games? > >Uri His Ego and Money
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