Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 16:37:21 04/08/03
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On April 08, 2003 at 03:21:54, José Carlos wrote: >On April 08, 2003 at 00:56:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 08, 2003 at 00:12:37, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On April 07, 2003 at 16:10:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>On April 07, 2003 at 11:44:34, Steve Maughan wrote: >>>>>Uri, >>>>> >>>>>>Maybe you mean 50$ per copy but I asked about the total profit. >>>>> >>>>>The problem is that few people have access to the sales figures of the top >>>>>programs so it's difficult to answer a question about revenue. And again the >>>>>sales level will change quite dramatically depending upon the level of >>>>>advertising / promotion. It's much easier to answer a question like, "would you >>>>>buy a program for $10 that is the same strength as Crafty?" >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>> >>>>>Steve >>>> >>>>I don't even *want* to answer it here though a lot is known in the small world. >>>>Basically if Uri would have been less of an idiot, he could have figured it out >>>>already. I posted some numbers half a year ago or so and that will be forever >>>>best indication he ever will get of course. >>>> >>>>Now he asks the same question and i'm sure that from all persons i would be the >>>>only one to *ever* post anything realistic here, though some here who won't >>>>answer to this thread can guess and will get to the same numbers. >>>> >>>>Chris Carson is the last of course to believe here. Complete idiot. If you lower >>>>price you do not sell more. usually you sell less as "that program gotta suck >>>>then". >>> >>>If everything else is equal, then lowering the price should sell more. >> >>Only an american can come up with such a stupid argument, though in america it >>is "winner takes it all anyway". People kick on winners. If you go for 50 dollar >>and are a winner, then they buy you even if the number 2 which is 1 rating point >>less, is $20. If it's $10 it doesn't get taken serious. Or do you take the old >>chessmasters dumped at warehouses for $10 serious? >> >>What does latest chessmaster sell for? Right like 40 dollar. Is that not a bit >>much for what it offers compared to for example ChessAcademy 7 which is shortly >>in the market place? >> >>Outdated engine in cm9k. not even parallel and so on. does it load uci engines? >>i don't know. you tell me. how about all the stupid windows? No wonder they >>can't sell it in europe. But if they sell it here. then for 40 euro of course. >>not for 20. then it gotta suck, understand? >> >>If not. then you hopeless case. Well you're not born as a salesman i guess. >>That's more into my family. bob probably too. he'll sell deep blue as well >>tested modern 0.09 micron hardware using the latest algorithms even to you :) >> >>What does deepfritz sell for? 100 euro or so! >> >>for the bugfix of it to work better on P4 and K7 ddr ram machines i guess, you >>pay another 68 euro only if you had paid that 100 euro or so already. >> >>those 168 euro just for a bit of lineair speedup which isn't too impressive >>either at 4 threads of a dual Xeon. >> >>Shredder outsearched it to the left and right at paderborn. At any random >>position in fact. >> >>that where fritz got like 2.2 mln nodes a second or so against me. (a lot less >>than the production deepfritz gets anyway at dual K7s around, also search depth >>seems less in tournaments or i simply give it too much time a position here). >> >>I get impression tournament version of fritz is different from what lies in the >>market place, based upon search depths seen. But i could be wrong. I only wrote >>that last sentence because of a courtcase i would get on my roof btw. >> >>Its search depth sucks at tournaments nowadays. >> >>So basically it is what the fool wants to pay for. You aren't going to sell more >>of the current chessmaster version when asking $35 instead of $39.95 >> >>Of course you ask $39.95. >> >>Come to europe and you'll understand. >> >>Sjeng is tactical way stronger than Fritz, latest 1.4 version i have here is >>destroying everything tactical (except ferret i guess, but only bruce can answer >>that). Fritz is tactical a joke compared to it and i thought fritz' speed was >>just to solve tactics quickly. To quote frans: "learn through speed". >> >>You get a cheapo 1.0 version which is dual right from the start. >> >>Buy shredder7. Directly get for free dual version. >> >>For fritz you pay 168 euro extra to get it dual. >> >>How about that? >> >>"deep fritz rules" i hear some say. Well deepfritz7 is like half a year older >>than fritz8. If some say df7 is better i bet it means that every new version of >>fritz hardly anything gets modified. >> >>All i could figure out is that df7 is a bit better in endgames than the previous >>versions. further it dislikes bishop pairs more. Even when they are good (as the >>tournament lines it plays it doesn't have them. so get it a position where >>bishop pair is good and it will lose amazingly). >> >>but why do so many people buy df7 then and not shredder7? >> >>do not ask me! >> >>Ask dan corbit or cris carson. they know it. they buy df7 and also the upgrade >>because it is CHEAPER than shredder7, isn't it? >> >>Welcome in europe. >> >>Only in India it is worse i heard because of all kind of protections... >>...anyway that's on products like computers... ...so europe is great in fact... >> >>Uri lives in Israel. Not America. >> >>You can see Israel of course as Asia. You can see it however more as europe than >>USA is. >> >>>The free programs never 'sell' an infinite amount, even though some are quite >>>strong and the price is zero. >>>The problem is that everything else is never equal. >>> >>>The most important factors are: >>>1. Advertizing. Why did you buy a product? Most people are just going to >>>remember what they saw on TV, read in a magazine, or possibly read on the box. >>> >>>2. Shelf space. If it isn't in the stores, nobody is going to buy it. >>> >>>3. Ease of use. If the users can't figure out how to use it, it will get bad >>>word-of-mouth and/or thrown away when attempted. Must have easy installation. >>>Must have clear, concise manual with an index. Must have online support. >>> >>>4. Features. Can it stop a herd of stampeding Yak? The other product has that >>>feature with a check-mark! >>> >>>Everything else pales in comparison. >>> >>>>Perhaps Uri should first try to win the ICGA world champs (and not at 500 moves >>>>a minute as i would love to see movei play rebel there as rebel only starts >>>>counting time after ply 2 or so, so it will always think longer than movei >>>>there) and if he is there in that small world. Then he'll be able to chat enough >>>>during the rounds and he'll know more than he ever will find out here at the >>>>CCC. >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>>Vincent > > Some questions: > > - If you know so much about selling, why aren't you rich selling Diep? What i earn with diep is none of your business though i bet you would like to know, and please tell me which tournament Fritz managed to kick me. Last 3 tournaments or so i nearly managed to kick it. So i'm closing in! You definitely are a troll. There is a big difference between selling something for $40-50 versus $5-$10. You know it too, but you just like to troll of course as you are too dumb to realize anything. Note that shareware DIEP was at 10 million cdroms. > - If americans are so stupid about economy, why are they the #1 in that field? > - Are you gonna buy Averno? I sell it for $1000, so it must be damn strong. > - Why do outdated The King kick your state-of-the-art program in the arse? > - Why does joke-search-pathetic-eval-Fritz kick >super-parallel-search-genius-eval Diep in the arse? > > Just curious, > > José C.
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