Author: José Carlos
Date: 23:53:35 04/08/03
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On April 08, 2003 at 19:37:21, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On April 08, 2003 at 03:21:54, José Carlos wrote: > >>On April 08, 2003 at 00:56:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On April 08, 2003 at 00:12:37, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On April 07, 2003 at 16:10:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>On April 07, 2003 at 11:44:34, Steve Maughan wrote: >>>>>>Uri, >>>>>> >>>>>>>Maybe you mean 50$ per copy but I asked about the total profit. >>>>>> >>>>>>The problem is that few people have access to the sales figures of the top >>>>>>programs so it's difficult to answer a question about revenue. And again the >>>>>>sales level will change quite dramatically depending upon the level of >>>>>>advertising / promotion. It's much easier to answer a question like, "would you >>>>>>buy a program for $10 that is the same strength as Crafty?" >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>>Steve >>>>> >>>>>I don't even *want* to answer it here though a lot is known in the small world. >>>>>Basically if Uri would have been less of an idiot, he could have figured it out >>>>>already. I posted some numbers half a year ago or so and that will be forever >>>>>best indication he ever will get of course. >>>>> >>>>>Now he asks the same question and i'm sure that from all persons i would be the >>>>>only one to *ever* post anything realistic here, though some here who won't >>>>>answer to this thread can guess and will get to the same numbers. >>>>> >>>>>Chris Carson is the last of course to believe here. Complete idiot. If you lower >>>>>price you do not sell more. usually you sell less as "that program gotta suck >>>>>then". >>>> >>>>If everything else is equal, then lowering the price should sell more. >>> >>>Only an american can come up with such a stupid argument, though in america it >>>is "winner takes it all anyway". People kick on winners. If you go for 50 dollar >>>and are a winner, then they buy you even if the number 2 which is 1 rating point >>>less, is $20. If it's $10 it doesn't get taken serious. Or do you take the old >>>chessmasters dumped at warehouses for $10 serious? >>> >>>What does latest chessmaster sell for? Right like 40 dollar. Is that not a bit >>>much for what it offers compared to for example ChessAcademy 7 which is shortly >>>in the market place? >>> >>>Outdated engine in cm9k. not even parallel and so on. does it load uci engines? >>>i don't know. you tell me. how about all the stupid windows? No wonder they >>>can't sell it in europe. But if they sell it here. then for 40 euro of course. >>>not for 20. then it gotta suck, understand? >>> >>>If not. then you hopeless case. Well you're not born as a salesman i guess. >>>That's more into my family. bob probably too. he'll sell deep blue as well >>>tested modern 0.09 micron hardware using the latest algorithms even to you :) >>> >>>What does deepfritz sell for? 100 euro or so! >>> >>>for the bugfix of it to work better on P4 and K7 ddr ram machines i guess, you >>>pay another 68 euro only if you had paid that 100 euro or so already. >>> >>>those 168 euro just for a bit of lineair speedup which isn't too impressive >>>either at 4 threads of a dual Xeon. >>> >>>Shredder outsearched it to the left and right at paderborn. At any random >>>position in fact. >>> >>>that where fritz got like 2.2 mln nodes a second or so against me. (a lot less >>>than the production deepfritz gets anyway at dual K7s around, also search depth >>>seems less in tournaments or i simply give it too much time a position here). >>> >>>I get impression tournament version of fritz is different from what lies in the >>>market place, based upon search depths seen. But i could be wrong. I only wrote >>>that last sentence because of a courtcase i would get on my roof btw. >>> >>>Its search depth sucks at tournaments nowadays. >>> >>>So basically it is what the fool wants to pay for. You aren't going to sell more >>>of the current chessmaster version when asking $35 instead of $39.95 >>> >>>Of course you ask $39.95. >>> >>>Come to europe and you'll understand. >>> >>>Sjeng is tactical way stronger than Fritz, latest 1.4 version i have here is >>>destroying everything tactical (except ferret i guess, but only bruce can answer >>>that). Fritz is tactical a joke compared to it and i thought fritz' speed was >>>just to solve tactics quickly. To quote frans: "learn through speed". >>> >>>You get a cheapo 1.0 version which is dual right from the start. >>> >>>Buy shredder7. Directly get for free dual version. >>> >>>For fritz you pay 168 euro extra to get it dual. >>> >>>How about that? >>> >>>"deep fritz rules" i hear some say. Well deepfritz7 is like half a year older >>>than fritz8. If some say df7 is better i bet it means that every new version of >>>fritz hardly anything gets modified. >>> >>>All i could figure out is that df7 is a bit better in endgames than the previous >>>versions. further it dislikes bishop pairs more. Even when they are good (as the >>>tournament lines it plays it doesn't have them. so get it a position where >>>bishop pair is good and it will lose amazingly). >>> >>>but why do so many people buy df7 then and not shredder7? >>> >>>do not ask me! >>> >>>Ask dan corbit or cris carson. they know it. they buy df7 and also the upgrade >>>because it is CHEAPER than shredder7, isn't it? >>> >>>Welcome in europe. >>> >>>Only in India it is worse i heard because of all kind of protections... >>>...anyway that's on products like computers... ...so europe is great in fact... >>> >>>Uri lives in Israel. Not America. >>> >>>You can see Israel of course as Asia. You can see it however more as europe than >>>USA is. >>> >>>>The free programs never 'sell' an infinite amount, even though some are quite >>>>strong and the price is zero. >>>>The problem is that everything else is never equal. >>>> >>>>The most important factors are: >>>>1. Advertizing. Why did you buy a product? Most people are just going to >>>>remember what they saw on TV, read in a magazine, or possibly read on the box. >>>> >>>>2. Shelf space. If it isn't in the stores, nobody is going to buy it. >>>> >>>>3. Ease of use. If the users can't figure out how to use it, it will get bad >>>>word-of-mouth and/or thrown away when attempted. Must have easy installation. >>>>Must have clear, concise manual with an index. Must have online support. >>>> >>>>4. Features. Can it stop a herd of stampeding Yak? The other product has that >>>>feature with a check-mark! >>>> >>>>Everything else pales in comparison. >>>> >>>>>Perhaps Uri should first try to win the ICGA world champs (and not at 500 moves >>>>>a minute as i would love to see movei play rebel there as rebel only starts >>>>>counting time after ply 2 or so, so it will always think longer than movei >>>>>there) and if he is there in that small world. Then he'll be able to chat enough >>>>>during the rounds and he'll know more than he ever will find out here at the >>>>>CCC. >>>>> >>>>>Best regards, >>>>>Vincent >> >> Some questions: >> >> - If you know so much about selling, why aren't you rich selling Diep? > >What i earn with diep is none of your business though i bet you would like to >know, and please tell me which tournament Fritz managed to kick me. Last 3 >tournaments or so i nearly managed to kick it. So i'm closing in! > >You definitely are a troll. There is a big difference between selling something >for $40-50 versus $5-$10. > >You know it too, but you just like to troll of course as you are too dumb to >realize anything. Thanks for your intelligent answer to my questions. Your arguments and reasoning are impossible to refute for me. José C. >Note that shareware DIEP was at 10 million cdroms. > >> - If americans are so stupid about economy, why are they the #1 in that field? >> - Are you gonna buy Averno? I sell it for $1000, so it must be damn strong. >> - Why do outdated The King kick your state-of-the-art program in the arse? >> - Why does joke-search-pathetic-eval-Fritz kick >>super-parallel-search-genius-eval Diep in the arse? >> >> Just curious, >> >> José C.
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