Author: Uri Blass
Date: 04:49:04 04/09/03
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On April 09, 2003 at 07:16:17, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On April 08, 2003 at 19:57:47, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 08, 2003 at 19:43:26, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On April 08, 2003 at 02:32:48, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>Most people still kick on fritz because of its high node counts but they are not >>>aware that other programs outsearch it bigtime, where it is clear that their >>>marketing slogan was 'learning by search' is completely outdated because of >>>that. >> >>No >> >>In this case they could stop buy Fritz because Fritz searched more nodes per >>second in the past. >> >>ruffian is a fast searcher relative to Fritz. >> >>You always believed in evaluation and not in search. >>I wonder what happened to your opinion. > >DIEP focuses upon evaluation, nothing is changed there. An extra ply doesn't >matter as much as a better eval. Always said that. And guessing that my opinion >would change there is a complete nonsense thing of course. > >Yet it is clear that when diep releasedate 1 august 2003 with a 10 ply search >plays against diep release date 1 august 2003 with a 14 ply search, that the >latter makes a bigger chance. > >In short, what happened to chessbase slogan: Learn through search? How many customers buy Fritz because of this slogan? I believe that most of the customers even do not know of this slogan. I think that customers buy Fritz because they considered it to be the best program or one of the best and not because of search. The fact that Fritz leads the ssdf most of the time is a better reason for them to buy it. You are the one who claim that Ruffian is 100 elo better than Fritz because of search and not because of evaluation. I believe that you are wrong. Mike Byrne does tournament at 120/40 with the same book ponder on and I remeber that Ruffian did not win his tournament(I think that Junior7 won it) I see no proof that Ruffian is better than Fritz8 based on 120/40 games. He is going to do another tournament 120/40 (programs do not use their opening book and he is using the same opening book for all programs). In this case Fritz8 is participating. Uri
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