Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:01:34 04/09/03
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On April 09, 2003 at 07:49:04, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 09, 2003 at 07:16:17, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 08, 2003 at 19:57:47, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On April 08, 2003 at 19:43:26, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On April 08, 2003 at 02:32:48, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>Most people still kick on fritz because of its high node counts but they are not >>>>aware that other programs outsearch it bigtime, where it is clear that their >>>>marketing slogan was 'learning by search' is completely outdated because of >>>>that. >>> >>>No >>> >>>In this case they could stop buy Fritz because Fritz searched more nodes per >>>second in the past. >>> >>>ruffian is a fast searcher relative to Fritz. >>> >>>You always believed in evaluation and not in search. >>>I wonder what happened to your opinion. >> >>DIEP focuses upon evaluation, nothing is changed there. An extra ply doesn't >>matter as much as a better eval. Always said that. And guessing that my opinion >>would change there is a complete nonsense thing of course. >> >>Yet it is clear that when diep releasedate 1 august 2003 with a 10 ply search >>plays against diep release date 1 august 2003 with a 14 ply search, that the >>latter makes a bigger chance. >> >>In short, what happened to chessbase slogan: Learn through search? > >How many customers buy Fritz because of this slogan? >I believe that most of the customers even do not know of this slogan. > >I think that customers buy Fritz because they considered it to be the best >program or one of the best and not because of search. > >The fact that Fritz leads the ssdf most of the time is a better reason for them >to buy it. > >You are the one who claim that Ruffian is 100 elo better than Fritz because of >search and not because of evaluation. > >I believe that you are wrong. you misread me as always. what an idiot. i said ruffian is IMHO 100 points better when both play under equal conditions (both a random book without learning). I noted that many engines outsearches fritz which makes their propaganda "fritz learns through search", which 'only' each 2 months around 30000 people could read in the CSS magazine, completely useless propaganda. Somehow your weird mind combines that, but the 2 statements are independant from each other. Get a course english! > >Mike Byrne does tournament at 120/40 with the same book ponder on >and I remeber that Ruffian did not win his tournament(I think that Junior7 won >it) > >I see no proof that Ruffian is better than Fritz8 based on 120/40 games. > >He is going to do another tournament 120/40 (programs do not use their opening >book and he is using the same opening book for all programs). > >In this case Fritz8 is participating. > >Uri
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