Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:09:02 04/09/03
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On April 09, 2003 at 08:01:34, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On April 09, 2003 at 07:49:04, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 09, 2003 at 07:16:17, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On April 08, 2003 at 19:57:47, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On April 08, 2003 at 19:43:26, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 08, 2003 at 02:32:48, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Most people still kick on fritz because of its high node counts but they are not >>>>>aware that other programs outsearch it bigtime, where it is clear that their >>>>>marketing slogan was 'learning by search' is completely outdated because of >>>>>that. >>>> >>>>No >>>> >>>>In this case they could stop buy Fritz because Fritz searched more nodes per >>>>second in the past. >>>> >>>>ruffian is a fast searcher relative to Fritz. >>>> >>>>You always believed in evaluation and not in search. >>>>I wonder what happened to your opinion. >>> >>>DIEP focuses upon evaluation, nothing is changed there. An extra ply doesn't >>>matter as much as a better eval. Always said that. And guessing that my opinion >>>would change there is a complete nonsense thing of course. >>> >>>Yet it is clear that when diep releasedate 1 august 2003 with a 10 ply search >>>plays against diep release date 1 august 2003 with a 14 ply search, that the >>>latter makes a bigger chance. >>> >>>In short, what happened to chessbase slogan: Learn through search? >> >>How many customers buy Fritz because of this slogan? >>I believe that most of the customers even do not know of this slogan. >> >>I think that customers buy Fritz because they considered it to be the best >>program or one of the best and not because of search. >> >>The fact that Fritz leads the ssdf most of the time is a better reason for them >>to buy it. >> >>You are the one who claim that Ruffian is 100 elo better than Fritz because of >>search and not because of evaluation. >> >>I believe that you are wrong. > >you misread me as always. what an idiot. i said ruffian is IMHO 100 points >better when both play under equal conditions (both a random book without >learning). These are exactly the conditions that mike Byrne use. I noted that many engines outsearches fritz which makes their >propaganda "fritz learns through search", which 'only' each 2 months around >30000 people could read in the CSS magazine, completely useless propaganda. I guess that most of the buyers of Fritz do not read the CSS magazine. Uri
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