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Subject: Re: perpetual check

Author: Robin Smith

Date: 18:01:05 04/09/03

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On April 09, 2003 at 14:00:02, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>On April 08, 2003 at 19:30:24, Robin Smith wrote:
>
>>The following position is a rather trivial (for a human) perpetual check.  Why
>>does it take some programs so long to see it?  Many of today's top programs
>>think White is winning, and after long searches too!  Which program detects
>>perpetual and returns a draw score the fastest?
>>
>>Tiviakov,S - Tseshkovsky,V
>>Kropotkin, 1995
>>[D] 6k1/7p/4Q1p1/3pP1P1/p6q/Pp1r2R1/1P5P/7K b - - 0 1
>>
>>Robin
>
>Hmmm, my program gives a 'white is winning score' after quite a long search
>(15+ply).  I'm not sure if I have a bug, or if I'm encountering a similar
>problem to others.
>
>The problem here is that white can do a whole bunch of checks and then grab the
>rook near the tip of the tree.  If there isn't much search depth left then the
>program won't see that black can at least win the rook on d3.
>
>Perhaps there are hashing issues at play here?  Maybe Q-search issues too...

Hiarcs 8 also gives a white is winning score (+4.5) after very long searches.

Robin



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