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Subject: Re: Tablebases Again

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:41:49 10/11/98

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On October 11, 1998 at 09:41:23, James T. Walker wrote:

>On October 11, 1998 at 04:16:31, blass uri wrote:
>
>>
>>On October 10, 1998 at 21:25:25, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>I tested Crafty15.20 tonight and it solves the problem instantly.  I also tested
>>>the following computers/programs. ALL solved the mate instantly.
>>>Fritz5.0,Rebel Decade 2.0,Rex2.3,Fidelity Mach3,Fidelity Mach IV,M-Chess Pro 3.5
>>>M-Chess Pro 5.0,Genius 4.0, Genius 2.0,Kasparov's Gambit,CM4000,CM5000,CM5500
>>>and my handheld Mephisto Marco Polo(USCF about 1800).
>>
>>The rating is not important
>>The rating of Junior5 is near 2500 fide elo based on games against humans
>>
>>>I do not have a single
>>>program/computer that does not solve this instantly.  Maybe the creator of JR.
>>>should take a look at this problem.
>>
>>crafty has no problem with positions when one side has a pawn but I read that it
>>has problems with positions like KBvKB when there is a mate in 1 it cannot see
>>something like
>>white Kh1 Bg1
>>Black Kh3 Bf1
>>I think in a similiar position crafty could not find a mate in 1.
>>
>>In practical games Junior did not suffer from this problem.
>>
>>Uri
>
>I found that you are right in the above position for Crafty !  That's the only
>one I can find like that.  I also found if the same setup is done in the h8
>corner that crafty will make the Bg7 # move but scores the game as a draw ??
>Thank for the info.
>Jim


I've answered this a dozen times.  I score this as draw, *period*.  When I lose
a game because of this, or draw a won game because of this, I might make the
change.  As it is, it is accurate to call KB vs KB a draw in 99.99999999999999
percent of the games...  that's accurate enough.  To pick up that last
quadrillionth of one percent would wreck the rest as I certainly don't want to
trade into (say) a KNN vs KN when I was in a KNNPP vs KNPP.  That's the purpose
for this evaluation... to avoid trading into draws when you have winning chances
in the game...



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