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Subject: Re: To Christophe Theron, RE: Tiger 15

Author: Jay Urbanski

Date: 20:11:44 04/10/03

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>I could produce a commercial multiprocessor version of Chess Tiger some day, but
>I still see no interest to do it at this time.

Dont' say *NO* interest if you mean no commercial interest (as opposed to no
interest on your part).  *I* am interested, and I would buy an SMP version of
Tiger.  :)  Given the number of requests on here I would say I'm not alone.

>I don't even see an interest in the foreseeable future. I don't believe in
>multiprocessing as a major trend.

I have to strongly disagree here.  If you look at the *server* market you will
find that SMP systems dominate.  All but the lowest of the low-end servers on
the market are at least dual capable.  Dual-processor systems are the sweet spot
of the Intel-compatible market.

I could make the case pretty strongly that when you are discussing chess
engines, you are really talking about *servers* even though most people run them
on desktop machines.  If you accept as your goal having the strongest possible
chess-playing machine, then you need to go SMP.  If you are going to enter a
chess-playing system into a GM-level tournament then you want to do it using the
fastest hardware available, and that implies SMP.

>I could even add that I don't believe in 64 bits computing either. For me the
>future of computing in the next years is putting 32 bits single processor
>computers everywhere (including your watch and your coffee machine).

It all depends on what you are doing.  For many applications right now, 32-bit
is adequate.  But the average amount of memory installed on even desktop systems
is quickly approaching the 4GB limit.  Remember that with a 32-bit OS you don't
even get the full 4GB of address space for applications because that must be
shared with the kernel.  I predict AMD Opteron will make 64-bit desktops common
by 2004 and that Intel will be forced to reply with Yamhill.

For the server market there are plenty of applications that need 64-bit today
(and yesterday)

>I agree that a multiprocessor version would be significantly stronger, but on
>the other hand I have many other high priority tasks that would benefit to a lot
>more people, and for me it's important.
>
>Example of such tasks:
>* Chess Tiger 16
>* A Linux version of Chess Tiger
>* A native ARM version of Chess Tiger for Palm
>* ...and a few more projects that I prefer to keep secret
>
>So I'm very sorry to tell you that you should not hold your breath...

This is of course up to you.  Of course whenever these man-vs-machine matches
are held you can rest assured that Tiger won't be holding up the machine part of
the battle because it can't run on the fastest hardware out there.



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