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Subject: Re: FINAL results Nunn test Hiarcs - CST

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 11:01:14 10/11/98

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On October 11, 1998 at 04:01:51, Keith Ian Price wrote:

>On October 09, 1998 at 03:17:11, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>On October 07, 1998 at 19:01:38, Keith Ian Price wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Nunn-Match 40/120, 20/60
>>>>>>>                             1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
>>>>>>>1   HIARCS 6,P233MMX   2540  1½1111½1111½0½½11½11 16.0/20
>>>>>>>2   CST Black,PII-400  2450  0½0000½0000½1½½00½00  4.0/20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ELO performance difference Hiarcs P233MMX - CST PII400: 240
>>>>
>>>>>>Performance on ICC was:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Opponents avg. rating: 2393
>>>>>>CSTWin/BETA +19 =9 -38  total: 36%
>>>>>>ELO-Performance 2284
>>>>
>>>>>I cannot believe that Cstalwin95 has only 2300 in serious games after seeing the
>>>>>results of Thorsten's  tournament(Cstal has 6.5 out of 9)
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>Thorstens tourney results is like flipping a coin. EVERYTHING is possible.
>>>
>>>I think that the ICC games were blitz or rapid chess games, and CSTal does much
>>>better in games at tournament time controls than at blitz. Thorsten's tournament
>>>is at 40/120, and therefore his results are quite possible, although any single
>>>tournament should not be used as a measure of the strength of a program.
>>>kp
>>
>>Start reading above. The Nunn-Test, onem ay call it none-test, was played in
>>tournament mode. SO no excuses.
>
>Start reading above. "although any single tournament should not be used as a
>measure of the strength of a program": SO no unsubstantiated conclusions. The
>Nunn-Test you refer to was conducted between CSTBlack and Hiarcs. Hiarcs was not
>even in mclane's tournament, and mclane is using the Win95 version, so my
>statement that his results are quite possible still stands. Your conclusion that
>my statement was a defense for CST was incorrect. It was more a defense of
>Thorsten's reputation from an unwarranted attack in a forum in which he is no
>longer allowed to defend himself.

I read the coin-flipping comment near to the time it was written.  I didn't take
it as an attack.  I took it is an acknowledgement that in a tournament you can
get lots of different results, due to random chance.

I don't think it is an accusation that Thorsten is cheating, since I can't think
of a way you could cheat with a chess program that would require a coin.  He
could have suggested that Thorsten picked book lines himself, but then why the
reference to the coin?

bruce



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