Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 09:23:53 04/11/03
English:
Hello their programmer!
Only once the following position looks at you, a composition of me:
[D]8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - - 0 1
my analysis: 1... Rc3 2.Bg8 Kxg6 3.Bf7+ Kf6 4.Bg8 Rc6 5.Bf7 [ 5.Kf3 Rxe6
6.Bxe6 Kxe6 7.Ke3 Kd6 8.Kd3 Kc5 9.Kc3 e6 10.Kd3 and black wins ] 5... Rxe6
6.Bxe6 Kxe6 and black wins!
Black needs only the tower on the 6. To bring ROOK to exchange and it for
Bishop + Pawn. The Pawn endgame is easily won thereafter! In addition, black
first pawn can get (see analysis above) and then only the tower to sacrifice.
Now, of it some programs have however no notion! -)
I out-played the position indicated above against Ruffian 1,0,1, cunning 5,04
and Fritz 8,005 in the 5' lightning, and I got even draw 3x!
I have long time only despair the only possible moves played, i.e. I was not
allowed to permit that the black tower at the field f4 arrived.
GMs malfunctioned the silicone nevertheless!
Here it out-played the 3 games , whereby I entered the position in each case
again always over "position input", and her thereafter.
All games under the Fritz GUI with 64 MT hash: The first games was against
Ruffian 1.0.1 (see PGN):
All games Draw with 50 move rules!!!
Thus, I would still understand if a program after approximately 5 moves the
“TICK” :), do not find, but if I create it (not geschummelt) in lightning 3x
draw to get, then that is an indication for it that the programs here no notion
has with this position.
Do you mean not also?
German original message:
Hallo ihr Programmierer!
Schaut euch erst einmal die folgende Stellung an, eine Komposition von mir:
8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - - 0 1
Meine Analyse:
1...Tc3 2.Lg8 Kxg6 3.Lf7+ Kf6 4.Lg8 Tc6 5.Lf7 [5.Kf3 Txe6 6.Lxe6 Kxe6 7.Ke3 Kd6
8.Kd3 Kc5 9.Kc3 e6 10.Kd3 und schwarz gewinnt] 5...Txe6 6.Lxe6 Kxe6 und schwarz
gewinnt!
Schwarz braucht nur den Turm auf die 6. Reihe zu bringen, und ihn für Läufer +
Bauer zu tauschen. Das Bauernendspiel ist danach leicht gewonnen! Schwarz kann
aber auch zunächst einen Bauer holen (siehe Analyse oben) und dann erst den Turm
opfern.
Nun, davon haben einige Programme aber gar keine Ahnung! :-)
Ich habe die oben angegebene Stellung gegen Ruffian 1.0.1 , List 5.04 und Fritz
8.005 im 5’ Blitz ausgespielt, und ich holte sogar Remis 3x! Dabei habe ich
lange Zeit nur verzweifelt die einzig möglichen Züge gespielt, d.h. ich durfte
nicht zulassen dass der schwarze Turm auf das Feld f4 gelangt.
Dennoch haben die Silikon GMs versagt!
Hier die 3 Partien, wobei ich die Stellung jeweils immer neu über
"Stellungseingabe" eingab, und sie danach ausspielte. Alle Partien unter der
Fritz GUI mit 64 MB hash:
Die erste Partie war gegen Ruffian 1.0.1:
[Event "Blitz 5' [Eduard]"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2003.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Eduard"]
[Black "Ruffian 1.0.1"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[FEN "8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - -"]
Rd3 {-3.11/19 8} 2. Bg8 {4} Kxg6 {-3.04/23 9} 3. Bf7+ {1} Kf6 {-3.04/25 7} 4.
Bg8 {2} g6 {-3.04/25 4} 5. Bf7 {2} Rc3 {-3.18/25 8} 6. Bg8 {1} Rc2+ {-3.21/25
9} 7. Kf3 {2} Rc1 {-3.08/25 22} 8. Kf2 {1} Rb1 {-3.02/26 8} 9. Bf7 {2} Rb2+
{-3.02/25 3} 10. Kf3 {1} Rb3+ {-3.04/26 6} 11. Kf2 {1} Rd3 {-3.04/25 5} 12.
Bg8 {2} Rh3 {-3.04/24 2} 13. Bf7 {2} Ra3 {-3.04/26 4} 14. Bg8 {1} Kg7
{-3.04/26 4} 15. Bf7 {1} Ra6 {-3.04/26 3} 16. Ke3 {1} Kf6 {-3.04/23 4} 17. Ke2
{1} Rc6 {-3.04/25 4} 18. Bg8 {2} Rc5 {-3.04/25 3} 19. Kf3 {2} Rc2 {-3.04/26 5}
20. Bf7 {1} Rc3+ {-3.04/25 3} 21. Kf2 {1} Kg7 {-3.04/26 6} 22. Be8 {1} Rc4
{-3.04/25 4} 23. Kf3 {1} Rc1 {-3.04/25 3} 24. Kf2 {1} Kf6 {-3.04/25 2} 25. Bf7
{2} Rc4 {-3.04/25 3} 26. Kf3 {1} Rc8 {-3.04/25 3} 27. Kf2 {4} Ra8 {-3.04/26 6}
28. Kf3 {4} Ra2 {-3.04/27 1} 29. Bg8 {1} Ra1 {-3.04/27 2} 30. Kf2 {1} Ra6
{-3.04/27 4} 31. Ke3 {3} Ra4 {-3.04/26 1} 32. Bf7 {3} Ra1 {-3.04/25 1} 33. Kf2
{1} Kg7 {-3.04/25 3} 34. Be8 {1} Ra6 {-3.04/24 2} 35. Bf7 {1} Ra2+ {-3.04/24
2} 36. Kf3 {1} Ra4 {-3.04/25 4} 37. Ke3 {2} Ra1 {-3.04/25 3} 38. Kf2 {1} Ra8
{-3.04/25 3} 39. Ke2 {1} Rd8 {-3.04/25 2} 40. Kf3 {3} Rd3+ {-3.04/25 0} 41.
Kf2 {1} Kh6 {-3.04/25 2} 42. Be8 {2} Rc3 {-3.04/24 1} 43. Bf7 {4} Rc2+
{-3.04/22 3} 44. Kf3 {1} Kg7 {-3.04/25 2} 45. Be8 {1} Rc8 {-3.04/24 1} 46. Bf7
{1} Rc3+ {-3.04/24 4} 47. Kf2 {1} Rh3 {-3.02/24 3} 48. Be8 {1} Rh6 {-1.47/28
25} 49. Kf3 {4} Kf6 {-1.47/17 2} 50. Bf7 {3} Rh1 {-1.47/29 19} 51. Kf2 {1} Rh3
{-1.47/20 1} 52. Bg8 {3} Rh8 {0.00/31 12} 53. Bf7 {5} Rb8 {0.00/31 0} 54. Kf3
{4} Rb2 {0.00/64 4} 1/2-1/2
50 Züge Regel.
Danach ging es gegen List 5.04 weiter:
[Event "Blitz 5' [Eduard]"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2003.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Eduard"]
[Black "List 504"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[FEN "8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - -"]
Rc3 {-2.89/15 6} 2. Bg8 {3} Kxg6 {-2.92/17 9} 3. Bf7+ {1} Kf6 {-2.92/18 7} 4.
Bg8 {1} Rc2+ {-2.94/18 9} 5. Kf3 {1} Rc1 {-2.94/19 8} 6. Kf2 {1} g6 {-2.94/20
11} 7. Bf7 {1} Rc3 {-2.94/19 8} 8. Bg8 {2} Rc2+ {-2.94/19 10} 9. Kf3 {1} Ra2
{-2.94/19 6} 10. Bf7 {2} Kg7 {-2.94/18 5} 11. Be8 {1} Ra3+ {-2.94/18 11} 12.
Kf2 {1} Rc3 {-2.94/18 10} 13. Bf7 {2} Rc8 {-2.94/18 5} 14. Ke3 {5} Kf6
{-2.94/18 7} 15. Kf3 {2} Rc3+ {-2.94/20 9} 16. Kf2 {1} Rc2+ {-2.94/20 24} 17.
Kf3 {1} Rh2 {-2.94/20 19} 18. Bg8 {2} Rh3+ {-2.94/20 3} 19. Kf2 {1} Kg7
{-2.94/19 31} 20. Bf7 {2} Rd3 {-2.94/14 2} 21. Be8 {1} Rd6 {-2.94/18 3} 22.
Bf7 {2} Rd2+ {-2.94/16 4} 23. Kf3 {2} Rd3+ {-2.94/19 3} 24. Kf2 {3} Kf6
{-2.94/19 2} 25. Bg8 {1} Rd1 {-2.94/16 2} 26. Bf7 {1} Rd2+ {-2.94/14 1} 27.
Kf3 {1} Ra2 {-2.94/17 3} 28. Bg8 {1} Ra3+ {-2.94/17 5} 29. Kf2 {1} Rd3
{-2.94/19 11} 30. Bf7 {1} Rd4 {-2.94/18 11} 31. Kf3 {8} Ra4 {-2.94/17 1} 32.
Ke3 {4} Ra3+ {-2.94/19 2} 33. Kf2 {1} Rb3 {-2.94/17 0} 34. Bg8 {2} Rb2+
{-2.94/15 0} 35. Kf3 {1} Rh2 {-2.94/16 0} 36. Bf7 {3} Rh3+ {-2.94/14 0} 37.
Kf2 {1} Rh7 {-2.94/15 1} 38. Ke3 {4} Rh8 {-2.94/17 2} 39. Kf3 {2} Rb8
{-2.94/16 2} 40. Kf2 {1} Rb2+ {-2.94/14 1} 41. Kf3 {1} Rb4 {-2.94/15 1} 42.
Bg8 {1} Rc4 {-2.94/17 2} 43. Bf7 {3} Rd4 {-2.94/19 8} 44. Ke3 {1} Rb4
{-2.94/15 0} 45. Kf3 {1} Rb6 {-2.94/13 0} 46. Ke3 {4} Rb3+ {-2.94/16 2} 47.
Kf2 {1} Kg7 {-2.94/13 0} 48. Be8 {2} Rb6 {-2.94/14 0} 49. Bf7 {1} Rb2+
{-2.94/12 1} 50. Kf3 {1} Rb5 {-2.94/12 1} 51. Ke3 {7} Kf6 {-2.94/12 1} 52. Ke2
{3} Ra5 {-2.94/11 1} 53. Kf2 {1} Kg7 {-2.94/12 1} 54. Kg2 {1} Rc5 {-2.94/12 2}
55. Kg3 {1} Rc4 {-2.94/12 2} 56. Kf3 {1} Rc1 {-2.94/12 1} 1/2-1/2
Ebenfalls 50 Züge Regel!
Und danach sogar gegen Fritz 8.005:
[Event "Blitz 5' [Eduard]"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2003.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Eduard"]
[Black "Fritz 8.005"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[FEN "8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - -"]
Ra3 {-2.41/17 7} 2. Bg8 {1} Kxg6 {-2.44/18 6} 3. Bf7+ {1} Kf6 {-2.44/19 8} 4.
Bg8 {1} Ra2+ {-2.44/18 7} 5. Kf3 {1} Ra1 {-2.41/18 6} 6. Kf2 {1} Rd1 {-2.44/18
6} 7. Bf7 {3} Rd3 {-2.41/17 3} 8. Bg8 {2} Rd2+ {-2.38/17 4} 9. Kf3 {1} g6
{-2.38/18 6} 10. Bf7 {2} Rd1 {-2.38/17 4} 11. Kf2 {1} Rb1 {-2.44/17 5} 12. Bg8
{3} Rb2+ {-2.38/17 2} 13. Kf3 {2} Rb3+ {-2.44/18 4} 14. Kf2 {2} Rb1 {-2.38/17
3} 15. Bf7 {2} Rb2+ {-2.41/17 4} 16. Kf3 {1} Rb3+ {-2.41/17 4} 17. Kf2 {2} Rd3
{-2.38/17 4} 18. Bg8 {2} Rd8 {-2.38/17 3} 19. Bf7 {1} Rd1 {-2.38/17 4} 20. Bg8
{3} Rd2+ {-2.38/17 2} 21. Kf3 {1} Ra2 {-2.38/17 4} 22. Bf7 {2} Ra3+ {-2.38/17
3} 23. Kf2 {2} Ra1 {-2.44/17 3} 24. Bg8 {2} Rc1 {-2.38/17 3} 25. Bf7 {2} Rc2+
{-2.50/17 4} 26. Kf3 {1} Rc3+ {-2.44/17 3} 27. Kf2 {1} Rc1 {-2.38/17 3} 28.
Bg8 {3} Rc2+ {-2.31/17 2} 29. Kf3 {2} Rh2 {-2.38/17 3} 30. Bf7 {2} Rh3+
{-2.31/17 2} 31. Kf2 {1} Rh1 {-2.31/17 3} 32. Bg8 {1} Rh2+ {-2.31/17 3} 33.
Kf3 {1} Rh3+ {-2.28/17 4} 34. Kf2 {1} Kg7 {-2.28/17 3} 35. Bf7 {1} Rh2+
{-2.34/15 3} 36. Kf3 {1} Rh1 {-2.31/15 2} 37. Kf2 {3} Rh8 {-2.31/16 2} 38. Kf3
{2} Kf6 {-2.28/17 4} 39. Kf2 {2} Rd8 {-2.31/17 1} 40. Ke2 {2} Rd4 {-2.28/17 2}
41. Ke3 {2} Ra4 {-2.22/17 2} 42. Kf3 {3} Ra1 {-2.22/17 1} 43. Kf2 {1} Ra8
{-2.28/17 2} 44. Kf3 {2} Ra6 {-2.28/17 1} 45. Kf2 {4} Rd6 {-2.28/17 0} 46. Ke3
{3} Rc6 {-2.31/17 1} 47. Ke2 {2} Kg7 {-2.34/16 1} 48. Ke3 {2} Rc3+ {-2.28/14
1} 49. Kf2 {1} Kf6 {-2.25/15 2} 50. Bg8 {2} Rc8 {-2.28/17 1} 51. Bf7 {1} Rc4
{-2.22/17 3} 52. Kf3 {1} Rb4 {-2.22/18 4} 53. Bg8 {2} Rb6 {-2.19/18 4} 54. Bf7
{1} Rb5 {-1.75/16 3} 55. Ke2 {3} Rb4 {-0.72/15 0} 56. Ke3 {2} Rd4 {-0.41/15 0}
57. Kf3 {1} Rd3+ {0.00/20 2} 58. Kf2 {2} Rd2+ {0.00/22 1} 59. Kf3 {2} Rd1
{0.00/54 1} 1/2-1/2
Ebenfalls 50 Züge Regel!
Also, ich würde ja noch verstehen wenn ein Programm nach etwa 5 Zügen den DREH
nicht findet, aber wenn ich es schaffe (nicht geschummelt) im Blitz 3x Remis zu
holen, so ist das ein Indiz dafür dass die Programme hier keine Ahnung haben bei
dieser Stellung.
Meint ihr nicht auch?
Eduards World:
http://www.beepworld.de/members37/computerschach/
With Computerchess, YES! :-))
Eduard
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