Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 14:18:55 04/11/03
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On April 11, 2003 at 12:23:53, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>English:
>
>Hello their programmer!
>
>Only once the following position looks at you, a composition of me:
>
>[D]8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - - 0 1
>
> my analysis: 1... Rc3 2.Bg8 Kxg6 3.Bf7+ Kf6 4.Bg8 Rc6 5.Bf7 [ 5.Kf3 Rxe6
>6.Bxe6 Kxe6 7.Ke3 Kd6 8.Kd3 Kc5 9.Kc3 e6 10.Kd3 and black wins ] 5... Rxe6
>6.Bxe6 Kxe6 and black wins!
>
>Black needs only the tower on the 6. To bring ROOK to exchange and it for
>Bishop + Pawn. The Pawn endgame is easily won thereafter! In addition, black
>first pawn can get (see analysis above) and then only the tower to sacrifice.
>
>Now, of it some programs have however no notion! -)
>
>I out-played the position indicated above against Ruffian 1,0,1, cunning 5,04
>and Fritz 8,005 in the 5' lightning, and I got even draw 3x!
>
>I have long time only despair the only possible moves played, i.e. I was not
>allowed to permit that the black tower at the field f4 arrived.
>
>GMs malfunctioned the silicone nevertheless!
>
>Here it out-played the 3 games , whereby I entered the position in each case
>again always over "position input", and her thereafter.
>
>All games under the Fritz GUI with 64 MT hash: The first games was against
>Ruffian 1.0.1 (see PGN):
>
>All games Draw with 50 move rules!!!
>
>Thus, I would still understand if a program after approximately 5 moves the
>“TICK” :), do not find, but if I create it (not geschummelt) in lightning 3x
>draw to get, then that is an indication for it that the programs here no notion
>has with this position.
>
>Do you mean not also?
>
>German original message:
>
>Hallo ihr Programmierer!
>
>Schaut euch erst einmal die folgende Stellung an, eine Komposition von mir:
>
>8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - - 0 1
>
>Meine Analyse:
>
>1...Tc3 2.Lg8 Kxg6 3.Lf7+ Kf6 4.Lg8 Tc6 5.Lf7 [5.Kf3 Txe6 6.Lxe6 Kxe6 7.Ke3 Kd6
>8.Kd3 Kc5 9.Kc3 e6 10.Kd3 und schwarz gewinnt] 5...Txe6 6.Lxe6 Kxe6 und schwarz
>gewinnt!
>
>Schwarz braucht nur den Turm auf die 6. Reihe zu bringen, und ihn für Läufer +
>Bauer zu tauschen. Das Bauernendspiel ist danach leicht gewonnen! Schwarz kann
>aber auch zunächst einen Bauer holen (siehe Analyse oben) und dann erst den Turm
>opfern.
>
>Nun, davon haben einige Programme aber gar keine Ahnung! :-)
>
>Ich habe die oben angegebene Stellung gegen Ruffian 1.0.1 , List 5.04 und Fritz
>8.005 im 5’ Blitz ausgespielt, und ich holte sogar Remis 3x! Dabei habe ich
>lange Zeit nur verzweifelt die einzig möglichen Züge gespielt, d.h. ich durfte
>nicht zulassen dass der schwarze Turm auf das Feld f4 gelangt.
>
>Dennoch haben die Silikon GMs versagt!
>
>Hier die 3 Partien, wobei ich die Stellung jeweils immer neu über
>"Stellungseingabe" eingab, und sie danach ausspielte. Alle Partien unter der
>Fritz GUI mit 64 MB hash:
>
>Die erste Partie war gegen Ruffian 1.0.1:
>
>
>[Event "Blitz 5' [Eduard]"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2003.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Eduard"]
>[Black "Ruffian 1.0.1"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[FEN "8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - -"]
>
>Rd3 {-3.11/19 8} 2. Bg8 {4} Kxg6 {-3.04/23 9} 3. Bf7+ {1} Kf6 {-3.04/25 7} 4.
>Bg8 {2} g6 {-3.04/25 4} 5. Bf7 {2} Rc3 {-3.18/25 8} 6. Bg8 {1} Rc2+ {-3.21/25
>9} 7. Kf3 {2} Rc1 {-3.08/25 22} 8. Kf2 {1} Rb1 {-3.02/26 8} 9. Bf7 {2} Rb2+
>{-3.02/25 3} 10. Kf3 {1} Rb3+ {-3.04/26 6} 11. Kf2 {1} Rd3 {-3.04/25 5} 12.
>Bg8 {2} Rh3 {-3.04/24 2} 13. Bf7 {2} Ra3 {-3.04/26 4} 14. Bg8 {1} Kg7
>{-3.04/26 4} 15. Bf7 {1} Ra6 {-3.04/26 3} 16. Ke3 {1} Kf6 {-3.04/23 4} 17. Ke2
>{1} Rc6 {-3.04/25 4} 18. Bg8 {2} Rc5 {-3.04/25 3} 19. Kf3 {2} Rc2 {-3.04/26 5}
>20. Bf7 {1} Rc3+ {-3.04/25 3} 21. Kf2 {1} Kg7 {-3.04/26 6} 22. Be8 {1} Rc4
>{-3.04/25 4} 23. Kf3 {1} Rc1 {-3.04/25 3} 24. Kf2 {1} Kf6 {-3.04/25 2} 25. Bf7
>{2} Rc4 {-3.04/25 3} 26. Kf3 {1} Rc8 {-3.04/25 3} 27. Kf2 {4} Ra8 {-3.04/26 6}
>28. Kf3 {4} Ra2 {-3.04/27 1} 29. Bg8 {1} Ra1 {-3.04/27 2} 30. Kf2 {1} Ra6
>{-3.04/27 4} 31. Ke3 {3} Ra4 {-3.04/26 1} 32. Bf7 {3} Ra1 {-3.04/25 1} 33. Kf2
>{1} Kg7 {-3.04/25 3} 34. Be8 {1} Ra6 {-3.04/24 2} 35. Bf7 {1} Ra2+ {-3.04/24
>2} 36. Kf3 {1} Ra4 {-3.04/25 4} 37. Ke3 {2} Ra1 {-3.04/25 3} 38. Kf2 {1} Ra8
>{-3.04/25 3} 39. Ke2 {1} Rd8 {-3.04/25 2} 40. Kf3 {3} Rd3+ {-3.04/25 0} 41.
>Kf2 {1} Kh6 {-3.04/25 2} 42. Be8 {2} Rc3 {-3.04/24 1} 43. Bf7 {4} Rc2+
>{-3.04/22 3} 44. Kf3 {1} Kg7 {-3.04/25 2} 45. Be8 {1} Rc8 {-3.04/24 1} 46. Bf7
>{1} Rc3+ {-3.04/24 4} 47. Kf2 {1} Rh3 {-3.02/24 3} 48. Be8 {1} Rh6 {-1.47/28
>25} 49. Kf3 {4} Kf6 {-1.47/17 2} 50. Bf7 {3} Rh1 {-1.47/29 19} 51. Kf2 {1} Rh3
>{-1.47/20 1} 52. Bg8 {3} Rh8 {0.00/31 12} 53. Bf7 {5} Rb8 {0.00/31 0} 54. Kf3
>{4} Rb2 {0.00/64 4} 1/2-1/2
>
>50 Züge Regel.
>
>Danach ging es gegen List 5.04 weiter:
>
>
>[Event "Blitz 5' [Eduard]"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2003.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Eduard"]
>[Black "List 504"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[FEN "8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - -"]
>
>Rc3 {-2.89/15 6} 2. Bg8 {3} Kxg6 {-2.92/17 9} 3. Bf7+ {1} Kf6 {-2.92/18 7} 4.
>Bg8 {1} Rc2+ {-2.94/18 9} 5. Kf3 {1} Rc1 {-2.94/19 8} 6. Kf2 {1} g6 {-2.94/20
>11} 7. Bf7 {1} Rc3 {-2.94/19 8} 8. Bg8 {2} Rc2+ {-2.94/19 10} 9. Kf3 {1} Ra2
>{-2.94/19 6} 10. Bf7 {2} Kg7 {-2.94/18 5} 11. Be8 {1} Ra3+ {-2.94/18 11} 12.
>Kf2 {1} Rc3 {-2.94/18 10} 13. Bf7 {2} Rc8 {-2.94/18 5} 14. Ke3 {5} Kf6
>{-2.94/18 7} 15. Kf3 {2} Rc3+ {-2.94/20 9} 16. Kf2 {1} Rc2+ {-2.94/20 24} 17.
>Kf3 {1} Rh2 {-2.94/20 19} 18. Bg8 {2} Rh3+ {-2.94/20 3} 19. Kf2 {1} Kg7
>{-2.94/19 31} 20. Bf7 {2} Rd3 {-2.94/14 2} 21. Be8 {1} Rd6 {-2.94/18 3} 22.
>Bf7 {2} Rd2+ {-2.94/16 4} 23. Kf3 {2} Rd3+ {-2.94/19 3} 24. Kf2 {3} Kf6
>{-2.94/19 2} 25. Bg8 {1} Rd1 {-2.94/16 2} 26. Bf7 {1} Rd2+ {-2.94/14 1} 27.
>Kf3 {1} Ra2 {-2.94/17 3} 28. Bg8 {1} Ra3+ {-2.94/17 5} 29. Kf2 {1} Rd3
>{-2.94/19 11} 30. Bf7 {1} Rd4 {-2.94/18 11} 31. Kf3 {8} Ra4 {-2.94/17 1} 32.
>Ke3 {4} Ra3+ {-2.94/19 2} 33. Kf2 {1} Rb3 {-2.94/17 0} 34. Bg8 {2} Rb2+
>{-2.94/15 0} 35. Kf3 {1} Rh2 {-2.94/16 0} 36. Bf7 {3} Rh3+ {-2.94/14 0} 37.
>Kf2 {1} Rh7 {-2.94/15 1} 38. Ke3 {4} Rh8 {-2.94/17 2} 39. Kf3 {2} Rb8
>{-2.94/16 2} 40. Kf2 {1} Rb2+ {-2.94/14 1} 41. Kf3 {1} Rb4 {-2.94/15 1} 42.
>Bg8 {1} Rc4 {-2.94/17 2} 43. Bf7 {3} Rd4 {-2.94/19 8} 44. Ke3 {1} Rb4
>{-2.94/15 0} 45. Kf3 {1} Rb6 {-2.94/13 0} 46. Ke3 {4} Rb3+ {-2.94/16 2} 47.
>Kf2 {1} Kg7 {-2.94/13 0} 48. Be8 {2} Rb6 {-2.94/14 0} 49. Bf7 {1} Rb2+
>{-2.94/12 1} 50. Kf3 {1} Rb5 {-2.94/12 1} 51. Ke3 {7} Kf6 {-2.94/12 1} 52. Ke2
>{3} Ra5 {-2.94/11 1} 53. Kf2 {1} Kg7 {-2.94/12 1} 54. Kg2 {1} Rc5 {-2.94/12 2}
>55. Kg3 {1} Rc4 {-2.94/12 2} 56. Kf3 {1} Rc1 {-2.94/12 1} 1/2-1/2
>
>Ebenfalls 50 Züge Regel!
>
>Und danach sogar gegen Fritz 8.005:
>
>
>[Event "Blitz 5' [Eduard]"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2003.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Eduard"]
>[Black "Fritz 8.005"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[FEN "8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - -"]
>
>Ra3 {-2.41/17 7} 2. Bg8 {1} Kxg6 {-2.44/18 6} 3. Bf7+ {1} Kf6 {-2.44/19 8} 4.
>Bg8 {1} Ra2+ {-2.44/18 7} 5. Kf3 {1} Ra1 {-2.41/18 6} 6. Kf2 {1} Rd1 {-2.44/18
>6} 7. Bf7 {3} Rd3 {-2.41/17 3} 8. Bg8 {2} Rd2+ {-2.38/17 4} 9. Kf3 {1} g6
>{-2.38/18 6} 10. Bf7 {2} Rd1 {-2.38/17 4} 11. Kf2 {1} Rb1 {-2.44/17 5} 12. Bg8
>{3} Rb2+ {-2.38/17 2} 13. Kf3 {2} Rb3+ {-2.44/18 4} 14. Kf2 {2} Rb1 {-2.38/17
>3} 15. Bf7 {2} Rb2+ {-2.41/17 4} 16. Kf3 {1} Rb3+ {-2.41/17 4} 17. Kf2 {2} Rd3
>{-2.38/17 4} 18. Bg8 {2} Rd8 {-2.38/17 3} 19. Bf7 {1} Rd1 {-2.38/17 4} 20. Bg8
>{3} Rd2+ {-2.38/17 2} 21. Kf3 {1} Ra2 {-2.38/17 4} 22. Bf7 {2} Ra3+ {-2.38/17
>3} 23. Kf2 {2} Ra1 {-2.44/17 3} 24. Bg8 {2} Rc1 {-2.38/17 3} 25. Bf7 {2} Rc2+
>{-2.50/17 4} 26. Kf3 {1} Rc3+ {-2.44/17 3} 27. Kf2 {1} Rc1 {-2.38/17 3} 28.
>Bg8 {3} Rc2+ {-2.31/17 2} 29. Kf3 {2} Rh2 {-2.38/17 3} 30. Bf7 {2} Rh3+
>{-2.31/17 2} 31. Kf2 {1} Rh1 {-2.31/17 3} 32. Bg8 {1} Rh2+ {-2.31/17 3} 33.
>Kf3 {1} Rh3+ {-2.28/17 4} 34. Kf2 {1} Kg7 {-2.28/17 3} 35. Bf7 {1} Rh2+
>{-2.34/15 3} 36. Kf3 {1} Rh1 {-2.31/15 2} 37. Kf2 {3} Rh8 {-2.31/16 2} 38. Kf3
>{2} Kf6 {-2.28/17 4} 39. Kf2 {2} Rd8 {-2.31/17 1} 40. Ke2 {2} Rd4 {-2.28/17 2}
>41. Ke3 {2} Ra4 {-2.22/17 2} 42. Kf3 {3} Ra1 {-2.22/17 1} 43. Kf2 {1} Ra8
>{-2.28/17 2} 44. Kf3 {2} Ra6 {-2.28/17 1} 45. Kf2 {4} Rd6 {-2.28/17 0} 46. Ke3
>{3} Rc6 {-2.31/17 1} 47. Ke2 {2} Kg7 {-2.34/16 1} 48. Ke3 {2} Rc3+ {-2.28/14
>1} 49. Kf2 {1} Kf6 {-2.25/15 2} 50. Bg8 {2} Rc8 {-2.28/17 1} 51. Bf7 {1} Rc4
>{-2.22/17 3} 52. Kf3 {1} Rb4 {-2.22/18 4} 53. Bg8 {2} Rb6 {-2.19/18 4} 54. Bf7
>{1} Rb5 {-1.75/16 3} 55. Ke2 {3} Rb4 {-0.72/15 0} 56. Ke3 {2} Rd4 {-0.41/15 0}
>57. Kf3 {1} Rd3+ {0.00/20 2} 58. Kf2 {2} Rd2+ {0.00/22 1} 59. Kf3 {2} Rd1
>{0.00/54 1} 1/2-1/2
>
>Ebenfalls 50 Züge Regel!
>
>Also, ich würde ja noch verstehen wenn ein Programm nach etwa 5 Zügen den DREH
>nicht findet, aber wenn ich es schaffe (nicht geschummelt) im Blitz 3x Remis zu
>holen, so ist das ein Indiz dafür dass die Programme hier keine Ahnung haben bei
>dieser Stellung.
>
>Meint ihr nicht auch?
>
>Eduards World:
>
>http://www.beepworld.de/members37/computerschach/
>
>With Computerchess, YES! :-))
>
>Eduard
YES!
German:
YACE Paderborn schafft die Idee zu finden nach 55 Zügen!!
[Event "Blitz 5'"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2003.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Eduard"]
[Black "Yace Paderborn"]
[Result "0-1"]
[FEN "8/4pBp1/4PkP1/4p1p1/4P1P1/1r6/5K2/8 b - -"]
Rc3 {-2.78/18 8} 2. Bg8 {1} Kxg6 {-2.79/21 8} 3. Bf7+ {1} Kf6 {-2.79/23 9} 4.
Bg8 {3} Rc2+ {-2.79/23 7} 5. Kf3 {3} g6 {-2.79/23 4} 6. Bf7 {3} Rc3+ {-2.79/22
5} 7. Kf2 {2} Rh3 {-2.79/22 3} 8. Bg8 {2} Rh8 {-2.79/22 5} 9. Bf7 {2} Kg7
{-2.79/22 6} 10. Kg2 {5} Rd8 {-2.79/20 5} 11. Kf3 {1} Rf8 {-2.79/21 6} 12. Ke3
{3} Kf6 {-2.80/20 2} 13. Ke2 {4} Rb8 {-2.80/21 4} 14. Ke3 {2} Rb3+ {-2.80/21
2} 15. Kf2 {3} Rd3 {-2.80/22 3} 16. Bg8 {3} Rd8 {-2.80/22 3} 17. Bf7 {3} Rd2+
{-2.80/21 2} 18. Kf3 {1} Kg7 {-2.80/21 3} 19. Be8 {3} Rd3+ {-2.80/20 4} 20.
Kf2 {3} Rd6 {-2.80/20 2} 21. Bf7 {3} Rb6 {-2.80/19 2} 22. Kf3 {4} Rb1
{-2.80/19 4} 23. Kf2 {3} Kf6 {-2.80/20 2} 24. Bg8 {4} Rb6 {-2.80/20 2} 25. Ke3
{3} Ra6 {-2.80/20 1} 26. Bf7 {4} Ra3+ {-2.80/20 1} 27. Kf2 {2} Kg7 {-2.80/20
1} 28. Be8 {2} Ra6 {-2.80/19 2} 29. Bf7 {1} Ra8 {-2.80/18 2} 30. Kf3 {4} Ra3+
{-2.80/18 0} 31. Kf2 {4} Kf6 {-2.80/20 1} 32. Bg8 {3} Ra1 {-2.80/21 1} 33. Bf7
{4} Ra2+ {-2.80/21 1} 34. Kf3 {2} Rc2 {-2.80/22 4} 35. Bg8 {3} Rc6 {-2.80/22
3} 36. Ke3 {3} Kg7 {-2.80/21 1} 37. Bf7 {5} Rc8 {-2.80/22 2} 38. Kf2 {3} Rb8
{-2.80/21 1} 39. Kf3 {3} Rb3+ {-2.80/20 0} 40. Kf2 {11} Kf6 {-2.80/23 0} 41.
Bg8 {4} Rh3 {-2.80/23 2} 42. Bf7 {3} Rc3 {-2.80/22 2} 43. Bg8 {4} Rc1
{-2.80/21 0} 44. Bf7 {3} Kg7 {-2.80/20 1} 45. Be8 {3} Kh7 {-2.80/20 2} 46. Bf7
{3} Rd1 {-2.80/19 3} 47. Be8 {2} Kg7 {-2.79/14 1} 48. Bf7 {4} Kf6 {-2.77/17 2}
49. Bg8 {6} Rh1 {-2.72/19 0} 50. Bf7 {3} Rb1 {-2.71/17 1} 51. Bg8 {6} Rd1
{-2.33/20 4} 52. Bf7 {6} Rd3 {-1.31/20 0} 53. Bg8 {4} Rd6 {-0.74/22 4} 54. Kg3
{22} Rxe6 {-3.40/17 4} 55. Bxe6 {3} Kxe6 {-7.00/22 1} 0-1
Soll ich bei soviel verschossenen Elfmetern wirklich gratulieren?
Gerne - wenn man mich ehrlich belehrt dass das oben gut war.
Was meinst Du Dieter?
Grüsse,
Eduard
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